I don't think the fans feel like they are necessarily owed anything, but there is an understandable sense of disappointment. think it's an appropriate response when what used to be captivating and interesting material from honest and passionate musicians becomes bland and mediocre.The Mad Hatter wrote:Worry? It's not worry, it's annoyance. The "fans" are saying the band owes them a specific kind of music in a specific way.
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What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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The term 'sold out' refers to betrayal. If the fans don't expect a particular sort of submission and allegiance then they wouldn't use the term.
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UB40 - a pretty decent reggae outfit with a political slant. They produced a few rocking albums in the early 80s and then...
A fucking decade of lame covers of classic reggae songs that were done waaaaaaaay better by the original Jamaican artists. Reeeeed reeeeed weeeeeen?
A fucking decade of lame covers of classic reggae songs that were done waaaaaaaay better by the original Jamaican artists. Reeeeed reeeeed weeeeeen?
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If there is no fan base then there is no money.The Mad Hatter wrote:No. The Money. The money they get from royalties, from endorsements, from public appearances, from sponsors.
The money.
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Which came first, the band or the fans? Who made the music that the fans think they have right to dictate direction over?
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."
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I don't think I have a right to dictate what a band produces. If I like it I listen and buy, if I don't I don't.The Mad Hatter wrote:Which came first, the band or the fans? Who made the music that the fans think they have right to dictate direction over?
The band came first but is not sustained without the fans.
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It's not sustained without money either.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."
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Right, but the money comes from the fans.The Mad Hatter wrote:It's not sustained without money either.
Bands are entertainers. Entertainers, to make a living doing that, require a paying audience. An audience does not buy tickets or cds or merchandising (T shirts) if they don't like the music.
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1. Not, it doesn't just come from the fans.
2. They will still have fans if their music is reaching a wider audience. In fact, they will have more fans.
2. They will still have fans if their music is reaching a wider audience. In fact, they will have more fans.
"The fact is that far more crime and child abuse has been committed by zealots in the name of God, Jesus and Mohammed than has ever been committed in the name of Satan. Many people don't like that statement but few can argue with it."
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Selling out is abandoning one fan base to attract a larger, more lucrative one. There are artists that do not do this and still achieve commercial success. There are artists that do this and either fail utterly because they misread the market or they gain some short term success and then fizzle out after one or two hits.
There are also artists who spend their lives playing what they want to play, how they want to play it for a small but loyal fan base and still making a decent living at it. Some of these artists I like a lot. I'll buy their CDs, even if I've already downloaded them, and come out to see them when they come through the area, often dragging my friends with me.
They'll probably never be millionaires, but they'll be ok with the material that they're playing.
There are also artists who spend their lives playing what they want to play, how they want to play it for a small but loyal fan base and still making a decent living at it. Some of these artists I like a lot. I'll buy their CDs, even if I've already downloaded them, and come out to see them when they come through the area, often dragging my friends with me.
They'll probably never be millionaires, but they'll be ok with the material that they're playing.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Are you talking about Metallica?Feck wrote:Sell out , release country and western albums ,get coke habits , turn right wing , sue Napster release shit albums with orchestras and pretend nobody had ever done it before.
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What made you think that!?Pappa wrote:Are you talking about Metallica?Feck wrote:Sell out , release country and western albums ,get coke habits , turn right wing , sue Napster release shit albums with orchestras and pretend nobody had ever done it before.
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I cut the rant short ,I didn't mention their full list of lies and u-turns ..It might not be long before they are playing republican party gigs !Normal wrote:What made you think that!?Pappa wrote:Are you talking about Metallica?Feck wrote:Sell out , release country and western albums ,get coke habits , turn right wing , sue Napster release shit albums with orchestras and pretend nobody had ever done it before.
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Become an airline pilot. 
well not really, I just wanted to have this thread in egosearch.
well not really, I just wanted to have this thread in egosearch.
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btw, Metallica did not sell out, they stayed true to their goals since day one, which was to make money.
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