The 'human condition'

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Post by Trolldor » Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:07 am

Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
Read Cosmos.
The human condition is a physical state.
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Post by hiyymer » Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:04 am

Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

You asked.

The capacity for symbolic reasoning means that we have the "what if", while other animals live in the "what is". We have the knowledge that it can be different than it is, but at the same time we are locked out of the garden. We can build a better bomb, but we can't make a better us.

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Post by amused » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:38 am

Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.

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Post by hiyymer » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:29 pm

amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?

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Post by Randydeluxe » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:36 pm

What a piece of work is a man:
How noble in reason.
How infinite in faculties.
In form and moving, how express and admirable.
In action how like an angel.
In apprehension how like a god!

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Post by Hermit » Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:05 pm

hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by hiyymer » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:15 pm

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
I get your point. Every species lives in the reality of limited resources, but we do have our own take on it.

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Post by amused » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:27 pm

Plus, we can imagine things that we want that don't even exist. And we can want to not die, at least so soon.

Or, as Roy Batty said: I want more life, fucker!

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Post by Ayaan » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:29 pm

To me, the human condition means those shared mental, physical, and emotional needs and our desire for something more and/or better than what we all have. It's both simple and complicated at the same time.
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Post by Tero » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:17 pm

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Post by JOZeldenrust » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:13 pm

Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
Specieist...

Pretty much any species will overindulge if a normally limited and valued resource suddenly becomes abundant.

To me at least it seems apparent that any difference between humans and other species is a difference of degree, not of category.

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by hiyymer » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:17 pm

JOZeldenrust wrote:
Seraph wrote:
hiyymer wrote:
amused wrote:
Rum wrote:What does the phrase 'the human condition' mean to you?
In economics it's described as unlimited desire in the face of limited resources.

We want more than we can ever get.
Why is that the "human" condition? Wouldn't it be true of any species?
What other species is known for wanting more than it can ever get?

No. Wait. Don't bother. I have already read many of your posts. I need a break.
Specieist...

Pretty much any species will overindulge if a normally limited and valued resource suddenly becomes abundant.

To me at least it seems apparent that any difference between humans and other species is a difference of degree, not of category.
But the human species can symbolically construct alternatives that don't exist. It's an adaptive strategy that doesn't exist in other species except as latent capacities. We don't adapt to our environment. We create our own. If nature offers it's bounty, other animals will partake because it just is what it is. We will conceive of ways to create our own bounty. Hey if we got torches and drove the antelope over the cliff at night and then smoked the meat, we'd eat like kings all winter. Hey what if the antelope don't come back next year. Hey what if we pray to the antelope God. He what if we try to be better than we are. Etc etc etc.

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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Feck » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:34 pm

humins ,The humin condition :roll: what fucking arrogant animals we are the humin condition is the luxury and the brain power to sit around moaning that things are not perfect for our delicate sensibilities .Try running for your life, living in fear and always on the edge of starving then see how much you time you have to philosophise about the the terrible lot human kind has .
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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Trolldor » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:41 pm

Terrible lot? It's precisely our abstract thought that makes it terrible.
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Re: The 'human condition'

Post by Feck » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:46 pm

The Mad Hatter wrote:Terrible lot? It's precisely our abstract thought that makes it terrible.
mmm poooooooooooor us .
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