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Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:21 pm

In America they call it Where's Waldo. Which makes him sound like a magician. I don't know if the double-entendre of "wally" works there either.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:11 pm

No, you were supposed to say, "In the Oval Office!" :D
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Post by Animavore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:19 pm

Well I gathered that seeing as he appears to be flying his pretties from there.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:38 am

Democrats call for Jared Kushner's security clearance to be revoked

Jared Kushner’s White House security clearance should be “re-evaluated” after the revelation that he attended a now notorious meeting with Donald Trump Jr and a Russian lawyer, according to a former White House ethics tsar.

Democratic senators were still more forceful on Wednesday, one saying of Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser: “I don’t know why he still has a job.”

Kushner is facing growing pressure over his presence at the June 2016 meeting, which email correspondence published by Trump Jr said was intended as part of a Russian government effort to damage Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.

Kushner was required to disclose all meetings with foreign government officials over the past seven years when he applied for security clearance for his White House role. He initially failed to mention the Trump Jr meeting, then included it on a supplemental form.

Norm Eisen, the former ethics tsar in Barack Obama’s administration, told the Guardian on Wednesday: “Given the nature of the meeting, it stretches credibility to say he simply forgot it when he initially filled out his forms. That puts him on the hook for false statements liability, possibly. At any rate, it increases his exposure.

“The pattern of omission by Mr Kushner and others in Donald Trump’s circle of their Russia connections increasingly points to a consciousness of guilt.”...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... d-trump-jr
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Post by Forty Two » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:25 pm

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Democrats call for Jared Kushner's security clearance to be revoked

Jared Kushner’s White House security clearance should be “re-evaluated” after the revelation that he attended a now notorious meeting with Donald Trump Jr and a Russian lawyer, according to a former White House ethics tsar.
Of course they do. But, why? She's a Russian national and is a partner at her own law firm in Moscow. She represents clients in tax, corporate and property issues. She came to the US to assist local US attorneys in their representation of one of her clients. She was allowed "parole entry" to the US, specifically approved by the Department of Justice (Obama's DOJ) and the Immigration Service, and allowed through customs by ICE under that advance parole. While here in the US she met with many people, Democrats and Republicans, and she openly attended committee meetings in the US Congress. She was not under any suspicion or allegation at the time, and there was nothing wrong with meeting her.

If she was cleared to enter the US under "extraordinary circumstances" advance parole, without a normally required visa, by the Obama DOJ and the Obama Immigration Service, and the Obama ICE, why would it be wrong or worthy of losing security clearance for Jared Kushner to attend a meeting with her?
Democratic senators were still more forceful on Wednesday, one saying of Donald Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser: “I don’t know why he still has a job.”
"I have no concrete or justifiable reason why I think he shouldn't have a job, I just want to wave my hands around wildly and be outraged by something..."

Kushner is facing growing pressure over his presence at the June 2016 meeting, which email correspondence published by Trump Jr said was intended as part of a Russian government effort to damage Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.
Growing pressure from whom? Democrat Congressmen? Who cares?

There is nothing wrong, incidentally, with people, even foreigners, wanting to damage Hillary Clinton's election campaign, or anyone else's election campaign. If some former government attorney has incriminating information, there's nothing wrong with disclosing it.

Kushner was required to disclose all meetings with foreign government officials over the past seven years when he applied for security clearance for his White House role. He initially failed to mention the Trump Jr meeting, then included it on a supplemental form.
Because the private practice Russian attorney was not a foreign government official, and certainly wasn't known to be a foreign government official.

Norm Eisen, the former ethics tsar in Barack Obama’s administration, told the Guardian on Wednesday: “Given the nature of the meeting, it stretches credibility to say he simply forgot it when he initially filled out his forms. That puts him on the hook for false statements liability, possibly. At any rate, it increases his exposure.
Or, he thought that a lawyer who was lobbying for the repeal of the Magnitsky Act, and who was representing one of the defendants in a New York civil asset forfeiture case (not appearing in the case, but serving as outside attorney), is not a government official. It doesn't stretch credulity to not list her when she's not working for the Russian government, doesn't claim to be working for the Russian government, and when the Russian government says she doesn't and didn't work for them since she left her job as a low level prosecutor in Moscow.

Who the fuck are these jokers trying to paint this lady out to be? The Russian Mata fucking Hari?

“The pattern of omission by Mr Kushner and others in Donald Trump’s circle of their Russia connections increasingly points to a consciousness of guilt.”...
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Except why would anyone think they had to list this lawyer as a Russian government official? Do you have to list all meetings with all Russian lawyers? What about Frenchmen? What about Chinese? What about Norwegians?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:38 pm

Fix your quotes.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:33 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Brian Peacock wrote:
Democrats call for Jared Kushner's security clearance to be revoked

Jared Kushner’s White House security clearance should be “re-evaluated” after the revelation that he attended a now notorious meeting with Donald Trump Jr and a Russian lawyer, according to a former White House ethics tsar.
Of course they do. But, why? She's a Russian national and is a partner at her own law firm in Moscow. She represents clients in tax, corporate and property issues. She came to the US to assist local US attorneys in their representation of one of her clients. She was allowed "parole entry" to the US, specifically approved by the Department of Justice (Obama's DOJ) and the Immigration Service, and allowed through customs by ICE under that advance parole. While here in the US she met with many people, Democrats and Republicans, and she openly attended committee meetings in the US Congress. She was not under any suspicion or allegation at the time, and there was nothing wrong with meeting her.
That's not entirely clear. Here's what a couple of Whitehouse ethics lawyers (one worked for Barry, one for Dubya) have to say:
The potential offenses committed by Donald Jr., his colleagues and brother-in-law who attended the meeting, and the campaign itself, include criminal or civil violations of campaign finance laws. These laws prohibit accepting anything of value from a foreign government or a foreign national. The promised Russian “documents and information” would have been an illegal campaign contribution from a foreign government — and a priceless one.
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Post by tattuchu » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Trump did the grab-and-yank tug-of-war handshake with France's First Lady :fp:
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Post by Tero » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:59 pm

"There is nothing wrong with Russia digging up dirt on Hillary."(42)

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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:05 am

tattuchu wrote:Trump did the grab-and-yank tug-of-war handshake with France's First Lady :fp:
Fuckwit. He also apparently had a bit of a "not bad for an old bird" moment. He really shouldn't be let out in public (either physically or via twitter).
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Post by Animavore » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:14 am

It's sickening that Sky News suck up to this shit stain, and that it's played all over the airport. I can never sit down to breakfast or lunch without hearing that dull-witted drawl come from the screen above me. And this morning I'm seeing France fawn all over him.

Sycophants the lot of them. They should be standing up to this arsehole and his gangster buddies. All decent countries should ban him.

I've no doubt my own, spineless government is going to be grovelling up to him soon.
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Post by Animavore » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:29 am

This is why Trump and the fossil bought Repubs are irredeemable, progress blocking scum who need to be destroyed.
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Post by Animavore » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:33 am

Trump’s tax cuts would give the poor $40 each and the ultrarich $940,000

Researchers tried to run the numbers on Trump's ridiculously vague tax plan. They’re not good.
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When are these people going to admit they were duped? Why do they keep doubling down and trying to justify their bad purchase?
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Post by Animavore » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:36 am

This isn't The Onion, or any other satire. He said this.
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Remind me when this great "genius" is going to unzip the clown costume and start making America great.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:51 am

Crickey.
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