Anne Romney Hasn't Worked A Day in Her Life

[kiki5711]

Evidence?
My understanding is that Anne Romney did perform those tasks, at least partly.

Evidence? If you were that rich, would you do all the work yourself? I mean really. She'd had to be on her toes 24/7 to keep the house clean/cook and prepare all the meals/care for 5 kids, care for husband (at night), do the dishes, mow the lawn.

Yea, I'm sure she did all that.

If you can name the logical fallacy we might let you off the hook. No promises though.

You must be crazy if you're the only one that needs proof of such "obvious" matter.

[Warren Dew]

If you think that a millionaire's wife is going to do the house work, cooking etc, and forego hiring help to take care of that... you live in a very strange world
or have evidence that mrs romney is a most unusual person.

Evidence?
My understanding is that Anne Romney did perform those tasks, at least partly.

She did.

By the time Mitt Romney was at Bain Capital in the 1980s, where he eventually made his fortune, the Romneys' kids had all been born and some were in their teens. Ann may have hired more help after that point, but she did plenty of work as a homemaker before then, if for no other reason than that the Romneys didn't yet have all their millions at that point.

[kiki5711]

If you think that a millionaire's wife is going to do the house work, cooking etc, and forego hiring help to take care of that... you live in a very strange world
or have evidence that mrs romney is a most unusual person.

Evidence?
My understanding is that Anne Romney did perform those tasks, at least partly.

She did.

By the time Mitt Romney was at Bain Capital in the 1980s, where he eventually made his fortune, the Romneys' kids had all been born and some were in their teens. Ann may have hired more help after that point, but she did plenty of work as a homemaker before then, if for no other reason than that the Romneys didn't yet have all their millions at that point.

which is nothing more than millions of other mothers did/do. Plus work at the same time as well, out of necessity.

[Coito ergo sum]

If you think that a millionaire's wife is going to do the house work, cooking etc, and forego hiring help to take care of that... you live in a very strange world
or have evidence that mrs romney is a most unusual person.

Evidence?
My understanding is that Anne Romney did perform those tasks, at least partly.

She did.

By the time Mitt Romney was at Bain Capital in the 1980s, where he eventually made his fortune, the Romneys' kids had all been born and some were in their teens. Ann may have hired more help after that point, but she did plenty of work as a homemaker before then, if for no other reason than that the Romneys didn't yet have all their millions at that point.

which is nothing more than millions of other mothers did/do. Plus work at the same time as well, out of necessity.

Ann Romney never said she did more than other mothers do.

Hilary Rosen said Ann Romney never worked a day in her life, which is denigrating to homemakers. Ann Romney never denigrated mothers at all. She applauded them.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Pretty sure Rosen was talking about working on a payroll, outside the home.

[Svartalf]

Pretty sure Rosen was talking about working on a payroll, outside the home.

Of course she did, then somebody decided to orient the conversation on how you don't have to work for economic gain to be taken full time by your tasks, except of course the lady never was a full time homemaker either...

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yes, but then that requires reading with context and connotation.

[Warren Dew]

Yes, but then that requires reading with context and connotation.

The implication was clearly that being a full time mom was not "real" work.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Yes, but then that requires reading with context and connotation.

The implication was clearly that being a full time mom was not "real" work.

In the sense that being a stay-at-home mom informs her of the issues mothers in the workforce face, it isn't "real" work. That is what I meant by context.

[Coito ergo sum]

Sure. Put the words in the mouth of a Republican -- George Bush, for example -- and see how it would be interpreted then.

I know what she meant. But, I can't help but revel in the schadenfreude of someone essentially hoisted on their own petard.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Well, that must be enriching.

[kiki5711]

It's not real work. And nobody told them to have 5 kids. It's borring as hell to do the same thing over every day, being in the house, cleaning and shit, listening to the kids whine, be their taxi. Talking kid talk and mommy talk. Give me a brake, it's brain jello life style.

I actually HAD to get a job to save my sanity.

[Ian]

I know what she meant. But, I can't help but revel in the schadenfreude of someone essentially hoisted on their own petard.

I saw the story a bit differently. Sure, Rosen made herself look bad with a rather impolite comment, but who outside of diehard political junkies had even heard of Hilary Rosen before? That's why she was a good candidate to throw out a comment like that. Have a good look at this thread - the story's old compared to the typical news cycle, and people are still here debating what she meant, the merits of stay-at-home moms, etc. No doubt many other conversations like this have happened and are still happening around the country. That little comment sure had some legs. And the long-term effects? Ann Romney, who Mitt no doubt had counted on as using as a humanizing element towards voters and helping with the gender gap, is suddenly something of a controversial figure just as the general campaigning gets started. Most people didn't know much about her before (and still don't, really) but her public persona, fair or unfair, is now becoming defined - thanks largely to a quick comment made by Hillary Rosen.

I think it's entirely possible that Rosen's comments were well planned. Think of her like a suicide bomber; sure, she trashed her own reputation (for now, and only with some people), but it seems she also cause some serious damage to her target. The full effects of the damage may not be seen for months and will never really be quantifiable, but I'd say it's there.

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not real work. And nobody told them to have 5 kids. It's borring as hell to do the same thing over every day, being in the house, cleaning and shit, listening to the kids whine, be their taxi. Talking kid talk and mommy talk. Give me a brake, it's brain jello life style.

I actually HAD to get a job to save my sanity.

LOL -- who wants to bet whether kiki would say the same thing has a Republican made the unfortunate comment.

Of course it's not real work. But, we've been told for a generation or more now that it IS real work. There are even feminist movements out there pushing for stay-at-home moms to receive wages for taking care of the kids they chose to have and the house they choose to live in.

Give me a fucking break with your sanctimony. You know as well as I do that the liberal and left line on this since the 70s has been that women staying at home ARE working and deserve even to get paid for it.

[Coito ergo sum]

I know what she meant. But, I can't help but revel in the schadenfreude of someone essentially hoisted on their own petard.

I saw the story a bit differently. Sure, Rosen made herself look bad with a rather impolite comment, but who outside of diehard political junkies had even heard of Hilary Rosen before? That's why she was a good candidate to throw out a comment like that. Have a good look at this thread - the story's old compared to the typical news cycle, and people are still here debating what she meant, the merits of stay-at-home moms, etc. No doubt many other conversations like this have happened and are still happening around the country. That little comment sure had some legs. And the long-term effects? Ann Romney, who Mitt no doubt had counted on as using as a humanizing element towards voters and helping with the gender gap, is suddenly something of a controversial figure just as the general campaigning gets started. Most people didn't know much about her before (and still don't, really) but her public persona, fair or unfair, is now becoming defined - thanks largely to a quick comment made by Hillary Rosen.

I think it's entirely possible that Rosen's comments were well planned. Think of her like a suicide bomber; sure, she trashed her own reputation (for now, and only with some people), but it seems she also cause some serious damage to her target. The full effects of the damage may not be seen for months and will never really be quantifiable, but I'd say it's there.

I doubt they were planned, given how fast Democrats ran away from her.

Look - the reason the comments were controversial is that she pissed right on one of the "third rails" of politics. One can NEVER say anything negative about stay at home moms, and one CERTAINLY cannot say that they don't "work." There was an overwhelming groundswell of support among women for Ann Romney, because so many women have a knee-jerk reaction to being told that their homemaker activities don't count as work.

Why do you think so many liberal and left leaning folks support compensation to be paid to women for staying at home and taking care of their kids? That comes from the left, not the right.

The reason this became an issue is because it's one of those unfortunate comments that any male, especially a Republican, would be castrated for. It was jaw dropping to a lot of people to hear that comment come from a woman.

Also, there is a cultural war between working women and stay at home moms. Look at some of the women posting comments here just scorning stay at home moms -- brain dead work -- boring -- awful -- limiting -- no world experience -- women here are posting that they couldn't imagine being a homemaker and they are expressing a fairly common view among career women that stay at home moms are to be looked down upon. So, the still fairly large amount of women that stay at home for years to take care of kids tend to get peeved about that.