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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:47 pm

Rum wrote:According to one of the videos posted earlier the thing was planned by 'anti-gun nuts'. Clinton, Zionists and the Rothschilds were involved. The idea was to get the public to agree on more gun control. It is all in the video - honest.

That deep gubmint lot must be pretty dumb mind you if they think a few dozen more deaths from mass shootings will prise guns out of America's clammy hands. Which makes me for one have a bit less confidence in our Lizard overlords.
While I do not subscribe to any unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, I think the gun issue in the US is a bit more nuanced in the minds of voters here than we're often given credit for. To most people it's not a function of "criminal shooting incidents justify more gun control, of whatever kind..." -- people seem to really be interested in understanding what gun control measures one is referring to, and how that might lead to fewer criminal gun incidents.

For example, just saying "another mass shooting! We need sensible gun control, now!" Doesn't do it, does it? I mean, what's being talked about? If one says that the sensible measure is to turn in all guns over a BB gun, except with special permits, so only law enforcement, rich people, politicians and the military, will for all practical purposes, be permitted to have guns, most of the electorate would think that goes too far. However, if you say, "strictly limit certain weapons, and enact better registration, licensure and background check laws, and close gun show loopholes an such, and limit quantities of ammo and weaponry" then I think you might get some mainstream support for the suggested measures. I think getting some regulation on those bump stock items and other modification packages is a good idea too.

I don't have a gun, but I've thought about it. I don't want a handgun, though. I would like a rifle or a shotgun.

But the thing about this Vegas shooter, is that he seems to be someone who, and this is just what I'm sensing in the wind, was somehow radicalized, and that together with him being somewhat of a nut case, had him out to target a crowd of Trump supporters. Maybe it's time to revisit the left wing playbook from prior shootings, like the Gabby Giffords shooting - it's "rhetoric" that causes these blockheads to act out like this - all this "punch a Nazi" stuff, and the "alt right are racists" and "all white people are racists" and all that - it's inciting people, looks like. They're stealing property, breaking windows, hitting people with bike locks, bottles and batteries, and bringing weapons to political protests.... this is just the natural consequence of the leftist political messages.... if one had the notion that "rhetoric" incites people to do violence, one might draw that conclusion, just as reasonably as the old theory that the Bush administration inspired violence because of its "top down" culture.... and the "martial rhetoric" in political campaigns got the shooter to target Gabby Giffords....
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:49 pm

NineBerry wrote:Big Auto doesn't need to cover its tracks, since it rolls on asphalt, where no tracks are left in the first place.
They just leave skid marks. Very embarrassing.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:58 pm

Galaxian wrote: I already have a grip on reality. But you evidently have a grip on make-believe. Here's the Wiki data in the table on the right of the page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#cite_note-izhmash-8:
Effective firing range 350 m (380 yd) It said the same in the previous link I gave; in the table on the RHS.
But you wouldn't understand that. You confuse the sighting distance with the effective kill range.
Here's another link: https://web.archive.org/web/20141006092 ... /akm.shtml from an original Russian site, no less.
So you really think that a hand held machine gun is a long range sniper's rifle? And no one on this forum had the nerve to contradict you!
In fact, all such light automatics have a similar 400m MAXIMUM effective range.
Let me educate you further:
That range is for just a few shots. When you fire the gun for a couple of magazines the range drops to 300m. Work it out...Galaxian won't help you.
Seems Galaxian is incapable of helping anyone in this respect.
Here's the notes on effective, horizontal and lethal ranges from the link you provided.
Note *: The effective range of a firearm is the maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effect.
Note **: The horizontal range is the distance traveled by a bullet, fired from the rifle at a height of 1.6 meters and 0° elevation, until the bullet hits the ground.
Note ***: The lethal range is the maximum range of a small-arms projectile, while still maintaining the minimum energy required to put a man out of action, which is generally believed to be 15 kilogram-meters (108 ft.-Ibs.). This is the equivalent of the muzzle energy of a .22LR handgun.
Further down in your Wiki link it describes the terminal ballistics and states that it will pass through both sides of a steel helmet at 200m and one side at 400m.

There's nothing to work out since it's all there in black and white.
Try reading your own links. Fucking knobhead.
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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:08 pm

JimC wrote:
Forty Two wrote:
Rum wrote:
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Those are not contradictory positions to take, since assault weapon is a much narrower term than "rifle." I support, generally, a ban on assault weapons, too, but I would not support a wholesale ban on rifles. Maybe he's for the Scandinavian model of gun control. Let me call my uncles and cousins and see if they're back from elk/moose hunting with their rifles, yet.
You might "support a ban on assault weapons", but Trump cannot, since he is beholden to the NRA, at least in the sense that his supporters largely want NRA gun policies...
Well, Trump said it, so his supporters already are o.k. with him saying it.

The issue with "assault weapons" bans is that the pro gun regulation folks have to be reasonable, and they have to resist overly expanding the definition. Listen closely to what pro-gun people say on this issue. They tend to say that there's no such thing as an assault weapon, and that what the anti-gun people want to do is ban the "scary looking" guns. They also say that the definition of assault weapon that is trotted out by the anti-gun people is too broad because it includes common hunting weapons. They also point out that "assault rifle" has a technical and legal meaning - a rifle that can be switched to full auto. So, they point out that an assault rifle and an assault weapon are often not the same thing because an assault weapon category often includes semiautomatic shoulder fired rifles, which aren't capable of full auto or burst mode.

They often have a point there. Not to say that it can't be overcome. Just to acknowledge that they have some reasonable basis for their views beyond the bumper sticker cliches.

Many bans of "assault weapon" are worded so broadly that they include something like a semiauto Benelli deer rifle:

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So, if we're going to have a discussion of regulation that is not a complete or substantial ban on all semiautomatic rifles, then we have to have a serious conversation as to what kinds of weapons are to be banned. I am someone who is in favor of reasonable regulation of guns. I have no problem with a "well regulated militia" having the right to keep and bear arms, within the definition of arms and "well regulated."

The pro-gun people have given the gun-regulation people a roadmap to getting an agreement. Naturally, a lot of progunners want to advance their arguments just to keep the ball in the air and not reach any agreement, because that maximizes the legality of the weapons they like to own. However, it is up to the gun-regulation folks to propose a regulation that makes sense and which is reasonably defined so that people know what is legal and illegal, and which does not become overly broad to include basic hunting weapons.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:13 pm

How many deer rifles shooting lots of bullets does one need? Training at the rifle range, you should be able to kill a deer with two bullets.

Less bullets, less hunting accidents.

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Forty Two » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:48 pm

Tero wrote:How many deer rifles shooting lots of bullets does one need? Training at the rifle range, you should be able to kill a deer with two bullets.

Less bullets, less hunting accidents.
What does this mean for gun regulation? What would you propose?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Galaxian » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:00 pm

pErvin wrote:He had more than 20 guns in there. Let's see the figures for the other 25 or so guns. :coffee:
How do you know all this? Everything you say is esoteric "It was revealed to me by God!" (God being the authorities).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMm1NaWnsz0


Instead you should stay on the provable facts. Such as muzzle flashes, multiple gun sounds (not echoes or ricochets).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zygjGyqraw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVnNKOKVhx4


'Nuf said? Lucky for you that Galaxian provides physical & witness evidence, not MSM propaganda :coffee:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:02 pm

I think you mean witless evidence, not witness evidence.

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:02 pm

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pErvin wrote:He had more than 20 guns in there. Let's see the figures for the other 25 or so guns. :coffee:
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Post by Tero » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:15 pm

Forty Two wrote:
Tero wrote:How many deer rifles shooting lots of bullets does one need? Training at the rifle range, you should be able to kill a deer with two bullets.

Less bullets, less hunting accidents.
What does this mean for gun regulation? What would you propose?
Tax on bullets of course. First 200 per year are tax free. The rest, 500% tax.

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Post by cronus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:41 pm

The rumour now is he was radicalised. Filipino wife, devout muslimic country that....she's brainwashed him I'd guess? :coffee:
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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by NineBerry » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:48 pm

The Philippines are a devout Catholic country.

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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by rainbow » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:51 pm

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Strontium Dog wrote:Unfortunately I have had to add Galaxian to my ignore list. I can handle stupid, I can handle offensive, but offensive stupidity is an adjective too far. Please stop quoting them where possible, cheers.
Galaxian has been dodging questions like a cowboy at a country music festival.
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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by cronus » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:53 pm

NineBerry wrote:The Philippines are a devout Catholic country.
Every other country round there is Muslimic...and it's still got a ten percent stake in the religion of shrapnel....so reasonable odds she's a muzzie or roman catholic/muzzie hybrid. She wasnt any good in bed if it came to this whatever,
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Re: Las Vegas Music Festival Massacre

Post by Tero » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:55 pm

No tax on bullets bought and used at rifle range.

You have to shoot them all there. Bullets used to murder rifle range owners or patrons taxed 500%.

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