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Re: England match to be internet only

Post by klr » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:32 pm

Pappa wrote:
klr wrote:There are many points. Some people have reacted along the lines of " ... well, I don't care, as I only want to watch ... etc.". But what if the programs that you watch were being distributed in this way, and could otherwise not be seen, not even in re-runs? :dono:
That's not significantly different to Sky holding all the cards. Pay per View is the norm for sport. I'd be surprised if it became the norm for documentaries or general entertainment.
Actually it's not, for Sky or anyone else. Maybe it's a bit different in other parts of the world, but it's not true in my experience. While many events are billed as being notionally pay-per-view, most of the people who do watch them have just paid a flat subscription fee for the channel in question. Pay-per-view has not taken off nearly as much as broadcasters have hoped.

As for documentaries being pay-per-view: Very few documentaries at all make money, not even in the short term, and that's where the media industry likes to make it's money (like most other industries). You don't see a profit-driven company like Sky making too many documentaries ... not serious ones anyway. :roll:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote:The circumstances are a little unique here.

Firstly, the rights to the game were sold to Setanta and so would have got a TV airing.

Secondly, Setanta went bust and was sold off piecemeal, the rights to this match ending up in the hands of a company with no UK TV station that hoped to cash in on it by selling the rights to somebody that did have one.

Thirdly, England went and qualified far earlier than even the most optimistic fan would have dreamt, making the result of this game academic and reducing its appeal to the point where the price asked by the rights-owner was not met by anyone with the capability to broadcast it on TV. Hence the company is attempting to profit from its acquisition in the only way it can - by a PPV internet screening.

This is NOT likely to be a regular occurrence, except for any other ex-Setanta games that this company might have.
Remember that for each and every away game that England (or anyone) plays, the prospective broadcasters here have to sit down and negotiate with whoever has bought the broadcasting rights from the 'home' FA. Inevitably, there will be people who try to push a very hard bargain, sometimes to the point of stupidity.

A number of years ago, the second leg of a play-off between Ireland and Turkey - in Turkey - was one such case in point. You can't get a much more important game in terms of qualifiers (can't remember if it was the World Cup or the Euros). The company that held the broadcasting rights for the game in Turkey looked for a king's ransom, and the Irish broadcasters wouldn't budge. The company even cut it's asking price dramatically at the last minute, but it was too late. Anyway, people had figured out how to reconfigure their satellite dishes, and showed the pictures along with the commentary from Irish radio. The company ended up losing a huge source of potential revenue through just being too greedy.

Around the same time, the FAI* sold it's soul to Sky in terms of rights to the home qualifiers. That went down like a lead balloon. Anyway, in Ireland the state funds a lot of soccer, especially at youth and developmental level. He who pays the piper calls the tune, and after that the Irish government listed all Irish qualifying matches, home and away, which it is entitled to do under EU legislation. That means the games have to be made available to a terrestrial broadcaster here. It didn't even matter if the other country is not in the EU.

*FAI = Republic of Ireland; IFA = Northern Ireland ...
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Re: England match to be internet only

Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:36 pm

I would agree that the ECB latching onto the Sky nipple was the worst possible thing for cricket (well, apart from taking those millions from that American fraudster). But then, the ECB appears to consist entirely of greedy morons.
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Re: England match to be internet only

Post by Pappa » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:40 pm

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Pappa wrote:That's not significantly different to Sky holding all the cards. Pay per View is the norm for sport. I'd be surprised if it became the norm for documentaries or general entertainment.
Actually it's not, for Sky or anyone else.
Sorry I didn't mean that the majority of sport is pay per view, just that the concept of pay per view for sport has become the norm. People are used to it for football, boxing, etc. It's become a part of normal expectations regarding sport.
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Re: England match to be internet only

Post by klr » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:10 pm

Interesting development here, re the upcoming Ireland-France play-off:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 40312.html
RTE struggle to agree rights deal for Paris showdown

Irish fans are still facing the possibility of a television blackout with less than a week until the decisive World Cup meeting with France in Paris.

RTE remain locked in discussions with the French Football Federation (FFF) and their TV partners TF1 to broadcast Wednesday's away leg in a row arising from the manner in which the rights for Saturday's initial meeting at Croke Park were sold by the FAI.

They earned a figure in the region of €4.5m by accepting the offer of the highest bidder, M6, an independent French station. That angered TF1 and their close friends in the FFF who duly decided to play hardball with the rights for the second leg. TF1 have staked a lot on the outcome of the play-off, as they have already spent €120m on securing the rights for next summer's finals in South Africa.

While a smaller market such as Ireland wouldn't normally be charged high prices, the FFF have said they are looking for €1.5m for next Wednesday while RTE's first offer was €600,000 and Sky Sports were also unwilling to match the price. As of yesterday, the parties have yet to reach a compromise, prompting fears that Irish supporters unable to make the journey will miss out on national TV coverage.

"Negotiations are still ongoing," said a spokeswoman from RTE last night, "We're still working hard to try and secure them."

However, there was better news for supporters when the FAI confirmed that 1,000 extra tickets for the Croke Park encounter will be going on sale at lunch time today.

The French have failed to sell the 10pc allocation they receive for the first leg and therefore handed them back to the FAI. They will be available on Ticketmaster from noon, with a mad scramble anticipated.
So the FAI (Football Assoc. of Ireland) decided to make a killing on this, in the full knowledge that the owners of the TV rights for the French leg might be very pissed indeed, as they are. :roll:

I presumed the FAI could have worked with RTE to make a bilateral deal with TF1 and FFF in the first place, but they were probably out to make a killing for themselves. Do they even care if Irish people wouldn't be able to see the away leg because of their greed? :dono:

A game theorist would have great fun trying to analyse this sort of situation. No, not a footballing game theorist ... :levi:
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Re: England match to be internet only

Post by BlackBart » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:18 pm

I remember when we had to watch footy the old fashioned way. With a telly. And we were grateful!
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