Pope apologizes for Christian violence in history

[DaveD]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

[Jason]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

He told them a long time ago. You can't bring it up and try to use it in an argument. That's the Waaaaay back fallacy!

Seth is rewriting informal logic.

[Seth]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

He told them a long time ago. You can't bring it up and try to use it in an argument. That's the Waaaaay back fallacy!

Seth is rewriting informal logic.

Really? Well, let's see. Evidently the Pope requires Catholic priests to be celibate. Evidently the Pope says he gets his orders from God. Therefore, evidently God told the Pope it was a good idea for priests to be celibate. Now, you may not believe the Pope, but Catholics do. You are free, of course to refute the "evidently" claim by providing critically robust scientific evidence that God did NOT tell the Pope that priests should be celibate.

I'm waiting...

[Seth]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

Feel free to go to the Vatican and ask to speak with the Pope and demand the evidence from him.

[Jason]

You are free, of course to refute the "evidently" claim by providing critically robust scientific evidence

Evidently you're full of shit.

You're free to refute this.. I'll be waiting.

[DaveD]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

Feel free to go to the Vatican and ask to speak with the Pope and demand the evidence from him.

You're the one who claimed you had evidence. Were you lying?

[Seth]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

Feel free to go to the Vatican and ask to speak with the Pope and demand the evidence from him.

You're the one who claimed you had evidence. Were you lying?

"Evidently" means "according to the evidence available," which I cited in another post. If you disbelieve the evidence available, you are free to ask the Pope for more evidence.

[Seth]

You are free, of course to refute the "evidently" claim by providing critically robust scientific evidence

Evidently you're full of shit.

You're free to refute this.. I'll be waiting.

I just took a shit, so evidently you're wrong.

[DaveD]

Evidently, God told them it was a good idea, and so they listened to God, not you.

Evidently? I'd like to see this evidence.

Feel free to go to the Vatican and ask to speak with the Pope and demand the evidence from him.

You're the one who claimed you had evidence. Were you lying?

"Evidently" means "according to the evidence available," which I cited in another post. If you disbelieve the evidence available, you are free to ask the Pope for more evidence.

But you haven't presented any evidence with which to disagree. You've merely asserted there is some, but you're suspiciously reticent about what it is.

[Seth]

But you haven't presented any evidence with which to disagree. You've merely asserted there is some, but you're suspiciously reticent about what it is.

Pettifoggery, the evidence is self-evident: Do you dispute that Catholic priests are commanded to be celibate? Do you dispute that the Pope issues such commands to priests? Do you dispute that the Pope claims to be the Vicar of God who gets his instructions from God?

[DaveD]

But you haven't presented any evidence with which to disagree. You've merely asserted there is some, but you're suspiciously reticent about what it is.

Pettifoggery, the evidence is self-evident: Do you dispute that Catholic priests are commanded to be celibate? Do you dispute that the Pope issues such commands to priests? Do you dispute that the Pope claims to be the Vicar of God who gets his instructions from God?

So it's just Popes that command priests to be celibate. Where's the evidence that those Popes got those orders from a god, which is what you claimed? Where's your evidence for a god?

[apophenia]

How long will he go on a single set of batteries?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

How long will he go on a single set of batteries?

Seth? Or god? Or is there a difference?

[Hermit]

"As a Christian I want to say at this point: yes, it is true, in the course of history, force has also been used in the name of the Christian faith," he said in his address to the delegations in an Assisi basilica.

"We acknowledge it with great shame. But it is utterly clear that this was an abuse of the Christian faith, one that evidently contradicts its true nature," he said.

Do you suppose this will put an end to the Wayback Machine fallacies here?

"True Christianity" has always adapted to social conditions at the time. Today's relatively humane versions of mainstream christianity is no more truly christian than the ones that advocated the killing of infidels, heretics and witches in previous centuries just because it happens to suit you better. While both the old as well as the new testament are parts of the bible on every pulpit to cherry-pick from, nothing prevents followers to change from focusing on the so called new covenant to reverting to the jealous, cruel, god of the OT.

In fact, they don't even have to the old testament to do that. They could simply quote, to pick a couple of examples, Jesus from Luke 19:27 "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." or if they want to totally disenfranchise women politically, socially and personally, they could refer to Ephesians 5:24 "Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything."

So much for "True Christians" and the "Wayback Machine fallacies".

[Jason]

How long will he go on a single set of batteries?

Are you insinuating Seth is a dildo?