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by Ian » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:44 am
Toontown wrote:They can shut off the strait of Hormuz
That's what
they think.

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by Toontown » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:23 am
Ian wrote:Toontown wrote:They can shut off the strait of Hormuz
That's what
they think.

All they have to do is make it too dangerous for the tankers to go through, which wouldn't be difficult. And stave off a strong Western military response by threatening nuclear escalation.
I agree that they shouldn't be able to do it. But there is no telling what kind of leadership, if any, the West will have by the time they've allowed Iran to become a nuclear threat.
IOW, it is my opinion that allowing Iran to become a nuclear threat will probably signal a crisis of leadership in the West.
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by Robert_S » Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:08 am
Feck wrote:I do not approve of koran burning in an organised on Tv protest about A mosque in Manhattan ,any more than I would approve of a global burn the US flag day or a burn the bibles day . However it is bonfire night soon , So I might need a koran

Now how do I get one without paying for it ? Or had the irony of rushing out and buying Korans not occurred to you book burners ?
I am actually comforted by the fact that people can and do burn the US flag on US soil. It is because we are more interested in principles and rights than in symbols or personalities.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by Feck » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:22 am
Robert_S wrote:Feck wrote:I do not approve of koran burning in an organised on Tv protest about A mosque in Manhattan ,any more than I would approve of a global burn the US flag day or a burn the bibles day . However it is bonfire night soon , So I might need a koran

Now how do I get one without paying for it ? Or had the irony of rushing out and buying Korans not occurred to you book burners ?
I am actually comforted by the fact that people can and do burn the US flag on US soil. It is because we are more interested in principles and rights than in symbols or personalities.
Sometimes it doesn't seem that way from over here but then I do know a lot of liberal Atheist non flag waving Merkins thanks to the forum and they aren't well represented in the Media we see .
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by Robert_S » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:39 am
Feck wrote:Robert_S wrote:Feck wrote:I do not approve of koran burning in an organised on Tv protest about A mosque in Manhattan ,any more than I would approve of a global burn the US flag day or a burn the bibles day . However it is bonfire night soon , So I might need a koran

Now how do I get one without paying for it ? Or had the irony of rushing out and buying Korans not occurred to you book burners ?
I am actually comforted by the fact that people can and do burn the US flag on US soil. It is because we are more interested in principles and rights than in symbols or personalities.
Sometimes it doesn't seem that way from over here but then I do know a lot of liberal Atheist non flag waving Merkins thanks to the forum and they aren't well represented in the Media we see .
Oh, a great many of our actual citizens are prone to fits of shallow displays of patriotic zeal, but our courts and constitution tend to keep them more or less in check.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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by JimC » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:46 am
On balance, I think it contributes nothing worthwhile to the atheist or anti-muslim-fundamentalist cause to burn books, as emotionally satsifying as the thought might be...
Cartoons, sarcasm, rational debate and many other activities that may annoy the hell out of muslims are different. Book burning has too many dark associations, it is bad PR on many levels...
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by Hermit » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:27 am
JimC wrote:Book burning has too many dark associations, it is bad PR on many levels...
Exactly.
Also, where to stop? If we burn the
Quran because it is so pernicious, why not toss in the
Bible, followed by
Mein Kampf, the
Communist Manifesto et cetera? And then, how can we forbid others to add the
Joy of Sex,
101 Uses for a Dead Cat, the
CIA Diaries,
Fahrenheit 911, and to whom do we give the authority to decide what is OK to burn?
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by Pappa » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:48 am
Seraph wrote:JimC wrote:Book burning has too many dark associations, it is bad PR on many levels...
Exactly.
Also, where to stop? If we burn the
Quran because it is so pernicious, why not toss in the
Bible, followed by
Mein Kampf, the
Communist Manifesto et cetera? And then, how can we forbid others to add the
Joy of Sex,
101 Uses for a Dead Cat, the
CIA Diaries,
Fahrenheit 911,
and to whom do we give the authority to decide what is OK to burn?
God.

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by Atheist-Lite » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:48 am
With digital books being the future why not burn these paper books in power stations?
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by Coito ergo sum » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:00 pm
Feck wrote:Well I wasn't convinced the Russians were going to nuke me and I'm sure I will live out the rest of my life without being nuked by the Muslims .
Probably so. But, there is a decent probability, by any anti-terrorism estimate - on either side of the political spectrum - that some western city will be nuked by Muslim terrorists at some point in the relatively near future. There will be more catastrophic terrorist attacks, and nuclear technology, if achieved, will be used. And, it will be used in such a way as to attempt to conceal its origin. And, there will be folks who say, "It was an inside job!"
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by Hermit » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:15 pm
Coito ergo sum wrote:Feck wrote:Well I wasn't convinced the Russians were going to nuke me and I'm sure I will live out the rest of my life without being nuked by the Muslims .
Probably so. But, there is a decent probability, by any anti-terrorism estimate - on either side of the political spectrum - that some western city will be nuked by Muslim terrorists at some point in the relatively near future. There will be more catastrophic terrorist attacks, and nuclear technology, if achieved, will be used. And, it will be used in such a way as to attempt to conceal its origin. And, there will be folks who say, "It was an inside job!"
Agreed. So, let us burn those Qrans. Book burnings are a powerful tool to either make the enemy realise that deep down we are really nice people, or more likely, make him cower in fright and give up the fight.
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by Coito ergo sum » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:17 pm
Seraph wrote:JimC wrote:Book burning has too many dark associations, it is bad PR on many levels...
Exactly.
Also, where to stop? If we burn the
Quran because it is so pernicious, why not toss in the
Bible, followed by
Mein Kampf, the
Communist Manifesto et cetera? And then, how can we forbid others to add the
Joy of Sex,
101 Uses for a Dead Cat, the
CIA Diaries,
Fahrenheit 911, and to whom do we give the authority to decide what is OK to burn?
I wouldn't burn the Koran because of its pernicious nature.
I would burn it because Muslims threaten me in order to keep me from doing it.
I'd burn it because: FUCK THEM!
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by Coito ergo sum » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:20 pm
Seraph wrote: and to whom do we give the authority to decide what is OK to burn?
Every individual, like it is now.
Flags can be burned in protest. So can books.
I'm not a fan of book burning, because of its Nazi and Farenheit 451` connotations. However, when a fucking scumbag Muslim threatens death for insulting the Koran, or burning it. I say put a Koran in a paper bag with dog and pig poop, light it on fire, and leave it on the Ayatollah's doorstep.
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by Ian » Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:15 pm
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by sandinista » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:10 pm
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