Donald Trump warns of the Muslim Problem

[Collector1337]

[NineBerry]

Germany watching the US

[tuco]

Oh our flag! wow indeed, our policy is so hmm strict that no many want to apply here. We lock them, take their money, wake their kids at 22:00 for counting, dont offer much perspective. It works but from where I sit not quite humane nor quite wise in long term. This said, there is a problem and it needs attention. However, as I have learned elsewhere, low-level analysis is not the kind of attention it needs. There will be more and more people coming in future and we (EU) do not have proper mechanism to deal with it. Throw them back to the sea? I think not.

[Seth]

Oh our flag! wow indeed, our policy is so hmm strict that no many want to apply here. We lock them, take their money, wake their kids at 22:00 for counting, dont offer much perspective. It works but from where I sit not quite humane nor quite wise in long term. This said, there is a problem and it needs attention. However, as I have learned elsewhere, low-level analysis is not the kind of attention it needs. There will be more and more people coming in future and we (EU) do not have proper mechanism to deal with it. Throw them back to the sea? I think not.

No, put them on boats, sail them back to the Middle East, unload them on the beach and sail away. Then put up the barbed wire to keep them from coming back. Pretty damned simple actually.

[tuco]

Something like that can actually happen. If it works and how is yet to be seen. Appropriate norms were put in place after WW2 and do not fit current environment. Whether people fear for own/family lives because of war or hunger caused by drought caused by climate change for example, matters not when it comes to will of such people to escape. Cant put wire around the whole south European coast though. For practical reasons.

[Seth]

Something like that can actually happen. If it works and how is yet to be seen. Appropriate norms were put in place after WW2 and do not fit current environment. Whether people fear for own/family lives because of war or hunger caused by drought caused by climate change for example, matters not when it comes to will of such people to escape. Cant put wire around the whole south European coast though. For practical reasons.

Then you have to keep rounding them up and shipping them back. Eventually they will run out of money to pay the coyotes to transport them and decide to fix their own countries.

[tuco]

I would think its reasonable to take measures as its clear there is only so many people we are willing to let into our system. To stop them from coming, would be to take care of the root of the problem. They do not come because they believe the so-called West is wundebar. Also another thing to consider, who attributed to cause of current situation. Leaving climate change as predominantly our responsibility aside, there is perhaps some lets say moral responsibility for the power vacuum and environment we participated on not only by invasion of Iraq.

Its a problem so Mr Trump is right about that. Muslim problem? Not for me.

[Seth]

I would think its reasonable to take measures as its clear there is only so many people we are willing to let into our system. To stop them from coming, would be to take care of the root of the problem. They do not come because they believe the so-called West is wundebar.

And why is it the West's responsibility to "take care of the root problem," which in this case is Muslim on Muslim extremist sectarian warfare and genocide and an Islamic program of Muslim Hegria and Shari-driven Caliphate domination? I'd think that warfare in Muslim countries are nobody's problem but the Muslim's and that they should all be locked down in the Middle East until they either kill each other or decide to act like civilized human beings. When they export it outside of their countries, then it becomes our problem, and it needs to be dealt with harshly and immediately by, among other things, returning "refugees" to where they came from and keeping them there.

Also another thing to consider, who attributed to cause of current situation. Leaving climate change as predominantly our responsibility, there is perhaps some lets say moral responsibility for the power vacuum and environment we participated on not only by invasion of Iraq.

"Climate change" has absolutely nothing whatever to do with this "current situation." This is about Muslim violence against other Muslims and Islam's intent to overthrow the governments of the West and impose an Islamic Caliphate on however much of the world they can succeed in seizing.

Its a problem so Mr Trump is right about that. Muslim problem? Not for me.

It's pretty much nothing BUT a Muslim problem. If all the Muslims on earth suddenly and miraculously dropped dead (where's that "vengeful God of the Old Testament when you really need him) the "problem" would cease to exist instantly.

[tuco]

I did not say its the West responsibility. I said there is perhaps moral responsibility for the situation. Whether to take it into consideration when deciding how to deal with travellers from the regions in question, I said nothing. I was noting fact. I think it would be smart to stop them from wanting/needing to come, because then we would not have to adjust our systems (wires along coast is not something many Europeans would like because it would restrict them etc). Desperate people take desperate measures. I am not prepared to get desperate, for example, by buying gun for protection. I want to stay cool and that means keeping desperate people away from me.

I could look up analysis about relation of climate change and migration, but not atm as I am up to something. I was not aware its controversial.

If all Muslim drop dead .. that is not realistic scenario to me so no comment.

[Seth]

I did not say its the West responsibility. I said there is perhaps moral responsibility for the situation.

Okay, what is your argument for such a moral responsibility?

Whether to take it into consideration when deciding how to deal with travellers from the regions in question, I said nothing. I was noting fact. I think it would be smart to stop them from wanting/needing to come, because then we would not have to adjust our systems (wires along coast is not something many Europeans would like because it would restrict them etc). Desperate people take desperate measures. I am not prepared to get desperate, for example, by buying gun for protection. I want to stay cool and that means keeping desperate people away from me.

I could look up analysis about relation of climate change and migration, but not atm as I am up to something. I was not aware its controversial.

Depends on whether you are talking about actual climate-driven migration (as in the migration from Russia to Alaska during the last Ice Age) or hypothetical and theoretical climate-driven migration put up as a specious and as-yet unproven excuse for allowing massive exfiltration from the Middle East.

If all Muslim drop dead .. that is not realistic scenario to me so no comment.

It was a statement made to indicate that the problem is clearly driven by Islam, not an actual suggestion.

[Brian Peacock]

You're a scared little child. Most constitutions need super majorities, often in a number of domains, to change. Even if 100% of Muslims emigrating and locally born wanted sharia law (which they don't) they'd need to be at least 66% of the voting population. Get you calculator out and work out how long that might take. Then work it out for 50% of Muslims wanting sharia (hint: it could never happen with less than 66% Muslim support).

I'm going to make this really easy for you.

I'm not watching those. I have limited internet data. Spell it out in words if you can.

But if you don't post an opinion on it he'll have nothing to chide you for. Come on rEv, play the game for christsake!

[pErvinalia]

Well sign me up for Crusades: The Sequel.

Don't worry. It's coming. No doubt you too big of a pussy to fight though, so prepare yourself to be purged by Muslims.

Ok. Can't wait.

[pErvinalia]

I could look up analysis about relation of climate change and migration, but not atm as I am up to something. I was not aware its controversial.

The blindingly simple is controversial for Seth. If you didn't have enough experience of that with him at ratskep, then you'll soon learn it here.

[rainbow]

No, Bush is a Progressive and a Marxist useful idiot. Obama is the Marxist.

Only the Retarded Rightwing Rimsters would think that.

Only a fucknut left-wing Marxist useful idiot wouldn't.

Right, so that would cover Bush, though the useful bit is problematic.

What about the majority of decent Merkins who voted for Obama and Bush?

Are they also Marxists?

[piscator]

"Useful"?