rEvolutionist wrote:
I have only skimmed read two of your replies and you lie through your fucking teeth.
Quote the lie, and tell me what the truth is. Let's get to the bottom of it.[/quote]
FFS. I"ve pointed it out 5 or 6 fucking times. THIS is why I don't want to "debate" with you. You are a dishonest cunt.[/quote]
Quote it. I'm not interested in your distortion. You said I lied. Quote my lie.
rEvolutionist wrote:
I can tell you I did not "lie" in terms of an intentional falsehood. If you would be so kind as to quote the "factually incorrect" thing that I said, and show me the correct fact, then I'd be glad to discuss it with you.
I already have MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES, and you refuse to accept that you've made shit up about what I said. I don't give a fuck whether you've done it on purpose or you've done it because you are a thick cunt, but the fact is you have done it and when it has been pointed out, you refuse to accept you've done it. And as I said, this is now at least the third time in about 3 weeks or so that you've done this - twice with me, and once with another member.
You have not done so at all, let alone "multiple fucking times." The only thing you've done multiple times is call me names and hurl profanities.
rEvolutionist wrote:
If I am wrong, I'll admit it.
Bullshit you will. I've NEVER seen you admit you are wrong in all my time reading your tiresome bollocks on this forum.
I've never seen you admit your wrong, and I've pointed out several times on this thread alone where you're wrong. You just refuse to discuss it, gloss over it, and hurl insults.
rEvolutionist wrote:
If I can clarify for you a misconception, then I'd be happy to do that too.
You've had PLENTY of opportunity to "clarify". I've made it abundantly clear what I was referring to, and that your reply didn't match what I was referring to.
You're off on tangents. Like the nonsense about schools or public schools or whatever. In Oz, you teach Creationism in the public school system. In the US we do not. In both the US and Oz, a private school can teach basically what they want. You threw that fact out there as a slam on the US, implying that in the US we do teach creationism "in science class." We do not. Nowhere, except in a wholly private institution could that legally happen.
What does that have to do with anything? Why are you so enraged about this Creationism thing. You were wrong - there ARE a significant amount of Ozzie Creationists. And, you DO teach creationism in your schools, including but not necessarily limited to your public, government run schools. We don't do that in the US, except in private schools where they may or may not teach that. But, that's the important distinction. What people do voluntarily, on their own time and on their own dime, is up to them. Like teaching Creationism in Sunday School or at a Baptist Summer School. Of course they do.
rEvolutionist wrote:
Also, you may wish to do more than "skim" and then react wildly. That may be your real issue. You may not actually read and understand what people write.
Lol, says the terminal strawmanner who claims that his strawmen aren't intentional and maybe just a misunderstanding. Start understanding, and then you can criticise other people for their alleged failings.
You're missing it again. I never once claimed that my strawmen aren't intentional. I was very clear that I haven't strawmanned you at all. I've only gone by what you, and others have said. One time, you got all mad because I gave you a straight answer to your question "Who said.....?" -- I told you who said. You then got mad at me for doing that because you claimed that you personally had not been the one saying the thing at issue.
rEvolutionist wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
I DID NOT MENTION PUBLIC SCHOOLS. You linked an article that stated that creationism is taught in HISTORY CLASSES in Queensland as evidence that creationism is taught in schools here. BUT I SAID SCIENCE CLASSES. Retract your lies or go fuck yourself, you dishonest cunt.
O.k., I have already addressed this.
You wrote a pile of bollocks in response, with MORE lies. You claimed that I said "public" schools. I simply did not. I've asked you to quote it before, and you haven't, because you are a lying cunt.
Dude - who cares? What other schools are you referring to? They do, in fact, teach Creationism in public schools in Oz. That's the only kind of school that has its curriculum officially set by a government body, right? A private school teaches what they want, don't they?
I mean - for the love of godless, man. You said "WE don't teach Creationism in science class..." or words to that effect, implying, of course, that in the US we do. Otherwise, who gives a fuck? The bottom line is, YOU DO IN FACT TEACH CREATIONISM IN YOUR SCHOOLS -- maybe not in science class, but so fucking what? You still teach it. In the US we don't. In the US we teach it less than you do in Oz. It's not in our curricula. It's not allowed in science class, in history class in any class -- the only exception is if someone runs a private school somewhere, they can teach what they want, but I suspect that's true in Oz too.
So what is your point, man? Take a pill, for crying out loud.
rEvolutionist wrote:
The classes in Queensland ARE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
QLD wasn't even on the table when
I raised the point about schools. If you wanted to talk about public schools, all you had to do was ask that the context of our discussion be changed. But no, you'd prefer to just strawman in a pathetic attempt to try and win the argument.
It's in Australia, isn't it? It's proof that you do teach Creationism in your schools, including the public, state-funded ones.
Strawman? Dude -- you said that you don't teach Creationism in science classes in your schools. I admitted already -- at least once -- that I did not see the importance of "science class" since it was patently obvious that you Ozzies do teach Creationism your schools, including but not necessarily limited to the public, state-funded ones. We don't do that in the US. It's illegal in the US. So for you to bring that up to bash the US is just ridiculous. Get it yet?
Man, it is so obvious that you are just screaming and yelling to deflect away from your erroneous arguments.
rEvolutionist wrote:
A public school is a government run/organized, state funded school.
No shit, Sherlock. Wow. You are a font of knowledge.
And, in Oz, you teach Creationism in your schools. We don't in the US. It's illegal here, under the Supreme Court case law I cited. So, why do you think it's important that you don't teach it in science class, rEv? What in the world could that possibly be relevant to?
rEvolutionist wrote:
Although, you don't seem to know the difference between New Zealand and Australia, so, baby steps, I guess...
LOL - you're must be right. [/sarcasm] -- with the amount of time you have on your hands, though, you should know a lot more than you do. You don't really do anything constructive anyway, so you should have a deep understanding of many disciplines.
rEvolutionist wrote:
A private school is privately run and they can teach whatever they want.
Not in Australia they can't. And even if they could, which they can't, it makes no fucking difference to the fact that you strawmanned me. Goddamn, you are a dishonest piece of work.
Projecting much.
Please, by all means -- make your point -- what is the point of advancing the notion here that Creationism is not taught in your science curriculum?
rEvolutionist wrote:
If these terms are used differently in Oz, then just clarify that so we can be on the same page.
Fuck you. How about you stop misinterpreting things that are written in a way that suits your "argument"? If you are going to invent constraints on another person's argument, then the onus is on YOU to clarify. Unless of course one is a dishonest cunt, then you wouldn't expect them to clarify.
Fine, I was suggesting that you engage in discussion, and you'd rather keep namecalling. Have at it.
i can't clarify your view -- you're incoherent half the time and you don't write your arguments out in a logical framework very well. I'm not going to try to figure out what you're saying. Write it, and if you want to discuss it fine. If you don't, don't.
rEvolutionist wrote:
What is the big problem here? Were you referring to something other than state or government run schools?
LOL. It's a bit late for that. You don't get to play the innocent actor card now. You've lied through your teeth for many posts now, and you did it in at least two other threads in the last couple of weeks. You have a record, champ. You don't get to play innocent little boy any more. You get one chance to retract your bullshit statements, and if you don't then you get vigorously held to account.
You know what rEv -- go have a beer and thank your neighbor for buying it for you. I'm really tired of your games. You know you're full of it. Everyone knows you're full of it.
rEvolutionist wrote:
The point is, in Oz they teach Creationism in the school system -- the school system which is funded by the government, from the public treasury. In the US we do not allow that.
I was the one making a point, dickwad, not you. And that WASN'T my point. So don't disingenuously try and tell us now what "the point" was. You are the one with the chip on your shoulder. You are the one who needs to defend your juvenile butthurt that swells up any time any one says anything bad about the US.
What was your point? You did not state your conclusion in your post regarding Creationism. State it. What do you conclude from the fact that "In Oz we don't teach Creationism in science class?" Why did you say it? Please -- this will be entertaining.
rEvolutionist wrote:
And, in the US you can't teach "Creationism" in history class either, but apparently you can in Oz.
Who gives a fuck? That's got nothing to do with my point. But of course, you know that.
Who the hell knows what your "point" is? You haven't stated what your point is. You've shifted into namecalling. I've been asking you to state your point and clarify what you mean by bringing the Creationist non sequitur up in the first place. You won't do it, because you are just covering up your nonsense with namecalling and profanity.
rEvolutionist wrote:
You are certainly talking about schools in Australia right? And, those schools are "public" in the sense that the public can go to them and they set up by the government and funded from the public treasury, right? You're specifically NOT talking to wholly private entities like religious school run by a church or other such group, right?
I'm talking about SCHOOLS, just like I fucking wrote, you dolt. And as I mentioned now THREE times, I am primarily talking about nutjob militants, which you have now ignored THREE times! Do you honestly think people can't see through your pathetic attempts to dodge the main thrust of the thread?
Great -- you teach Creationism in all your schools, public, private, whatever, except that you don't teach it in science class. Who the fuck cares? What does that have to do with anything we were talking about?
rEvolutionist wrote:
See this is the kind of thing you do. You're all outraged, calling me a liar and such, and what you're flying off the handle about is a giant non sequitur. You're dodging.
I'm not dodging, I'm the one making the fucking point to YOU! YOU'RE dodging my point.
You haven't made a point. Again, who cares if you do or do not teach Creationism in your schools?
rEvolutionist wrote:
If you were not referring to public schools, then what kind of schools ARE you talking about?
SCHOOLS. Should I make it BIGGER so you can read it easier? Am I required to list every possible instantiation of my contention just so that you can't find a case to wiggle out of ANSWERING THE FUCKING QUESTION?
Fuck me. You are a shocker.
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Who cares, rEv? What point are you making? It's WORSE if you blokes teach Creationism in ALL of your schools rather than just in private schools or some schools. You haven't added a distinction that makes a difference to anything.
let's do it this way: you've said that in Oz you don't teach creationism in science class in your schools. So? What is the point you are trying to make from that fact?