Members of the Academy are Racists?

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:20 pm

Chinese culture is EXTREMELY hostile to anything perceived as unChinese, including blacks and us gweilos
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:28 pm

Svartalf wrote:Chinese culture is EXTREMELY hostile to anything perceived as unChinese, including blacks and us gweilos
That would be racist if they were Caucasian.
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:33 pm

they are racist and ethnocentric, period.
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:35 pm

Svartalf wrote:they are racist and ethnocentric, period.
Only because they have a history of oppression by the dominant race.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:48 pm

Actually, they have a history of being the oppressive dominant race
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:54 pm

Svartalf wrote:Actually, they have a history of being the oppressive dominant race
That's racist.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:12 pm

So :) it's nonetheless perfectly true
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:57 pm

Truth? Such a white, patriarchal concept.... lived experience is far more important than truth.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Svartalf » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:04 pm

fuck off, it's lived experience for all non Chinese people in Chinese territory, Mongols, Manchus, Uyghurs, Tibetans, all submitted to the political and cultural imperialism of the Han Chinese
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Post by Forty Two » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:12 pm

Svartalf wrote:fuck off, it's lived experience for all non Chinese people in Chinese territory, Mongols, Manchus, Uyghurs, Tibetans, all submitted to the political and cultural imperialism of the Han Chinese
That's only due to the colonialism of the British, French, Dutch (Taiwan), Germany and other white European hegemonic forces subjecting the Chinese to oppression for centuries. When an oppressed people lash out, it's not oppression, it's justice.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by tuco » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:14 pm

Chinese culture has similar issues, on top of those with historical implications, like all "big" cultures. Its self-sustainable, which means that they have so much stuff going on inside that they do not (need to) care about outside. I see this as disadvantage.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:23 pm

Svartalf wrote:Actually, they have a history of being the oppressive dominant race
Interesting that Chinese and Hong-Kong films with a historical bent of the last 10 years or so have invariably turned their focus away from Europeans and the classic 'baddy' in favour of their regional rivals the Japanese.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:34 am

Forty Two wrote:
Svartalf wrote:they are racist and ethnocentric, period.
Only because they have a history of oppression by the dominant race.
Fail.
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Post by laklak » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:03 am

Fucking Yellow Peril, man. Opium dens and Fu Manchu. They'll sell us shit eating tilapia till we're weak and sick, then they'll be all over us like locusts on non-GMO wheat. Mark my words, it's all been planned. They're coming to eat your pets, dude.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:10 am

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Coldplay: only the latest pop stars to misrepresent India as an exotic playground
Within hours of releasing their new music video Hymn for the Weekend, Coldplay reignited the debate on cultural appropriation that for years has pestered ignorant white people everywhere. Shot in India, the video features the British band performing in Mumbai during the Holi festival while frontman Chris Martin rides in a rickshaw and goes to the cinema to watch a Bollywood film starring Beyoncé.

Some were quick to call out Beyoncé for wearing Indian clothes and jewelry while others found nothing offensive about the video. So let’s just settle this and move on: if cultural appropriation means that a privileged group adopts the symbols and practices of a marginalized one for profit or social capital, then yes, Coldplay’s video is committing cultural appropriation.

But it’s also more than that. Director Ben Mor sprayed the “essence of incredible India” onto his video, a diluted perfume invented by white, western creatives whenever they want some Indian inspiration. Under the western gaze, India is a lush, exotic land filled with dingy slums inhabited by pious, levitating holy men and lanky brown-skinned children who are always throwing colored powders at each other. This idealized India obscures the realities of a complex nation in favor of reductive tropes originally intended to preserve western hegemony. Coldplay’s myopic construction of India has been part of western representation since the colonial era, but in the past few years, the music industry has embraced it to make their videos more interesting.
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edit to add: Ooh, just read on and found the following bit. 42's gunna love this bit! :)
Now let’s talk about Beyoncé, who, along with Bollywood actor Sonam Kapoor, represents the desirable exotic woman. “Rani” Bey plays an alluring Bollywood star, wearing indigenous clothing and gesturing her henna-painted hands in front of a psychedelic background. I’ve purposely downplayed her involvement in the cultural appropriation debate for a reason. While Beyoncé’s appearance makes her complicit, her role in the video is little more than being an object to ogle. A black woman wearing South Asian markers of femininity must be distinguished from how white appropriation operates not only because of the politics of appropriation between people of color, but also the shared (and little discussed) history of cultural exchange between Africa and South Asia.
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