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Re: Ted Cruz is Ineligible for the Presidency

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:59 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:Merkans don't believe in climate change. UN/Marxist conspiracy. :coffee:
Indeed it is. And the satellite temperature records for this past year prove it. Yet again no warming...despite the corrupt scientists getting their greasy little fingers on the original data and falsifying it to make it look that way.
This is just silly, Seth. There is most definitely evidence of warming, and the UN climate science conclusions are very reasonable on the topic. That, of course, doesn't mean that climate activists and certain ideologues aren't seizing on the reasonable science and using to advance a miserable agenda. They most certainly are. And, they do convince folks to support any and every proposal if it is given to them with a teaspoon of global warming sugar. But that's a different issue.

There are individual scientists who believe in the "the issue is too important to allow dissent" kind of thinking, but that's not most or even a significant number of scientists.

Climate science is real. It's what some people do with it that is abysmal.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Ted Cruz is Ineligible for the Presidency

Post by Animavore » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:05 pm

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I wouldn't say that -- Jeb Bush is not a tool. He was a very good, competent and successful Governor of Florida. Also, John Kasich of Ohio isn't bad. Chris Christie is o.k., too
I like Carly Fiorina too. Competent businessperson. Highly successful. Driven.

Sanders is an avowed Socialist. It's either his time, or he's just a decade premature. Socialism has already been sold to the under 40 crowd. It's only the 40+ folks that are holding it back. Capitalism is done in the US. The under 30 crowd has been thoroughly brainwashed into thinking socialism is good and kind and caring, and far better for the common person than capitalism. And, they view capitalism as greedy, survival of the fittest social darwinism.
Jeb Bush's attitude to climate change is to do nothing. That it will sort itself out. Even if not a complete tool, absolutely unfit for President at this crucial moment in history.
That's not accurate. He accepts human caused climate change, and supports different ways of addressing it. He does not support every way to address it, but his position is not "do nothing."
Looking at his most recent statements his solutions aren't good enough. I wouldn't vote for him if I was American.
Given that no candidate, even Hillary or Bernie, have provided detailed proposed solutions, it's unclear what their solutions are. And, are you satisfied with the proposals put forth by Hillary and Bernie? What's better about them?
I doubt anything politicians put forth will be any good at this stage. They've been failing for 25 years. I think nothing short of a grassroots movement will do at this stage, I just think Democrats are more amenable to facilitating it.
Some good movement made last year with combined businesses pledging to divert over a trillion dollars away from fossil fuels. This year a doubling down on that is expected. Next we need to persuade governments to divert the subsidies of another trillion away from fossil fuels and into renewables. Finally carbon pricing (as recommended by the World Bank) is needed. Companies should not be able to use the sky as a free dumping ground and expect the public to pay.
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Re: Ted Cruz is Ineligible for the Presidency

Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:11 pm

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Tero wrote:The republican party has not changed any for decades. Which is understandable, they are conservatives, for them nothing changes. They completely ignore new things like the internet and gay marriage and "atheism."
Actually, they Have changed in recent decades... up till the Nixon administration, they were still a fairly reasonable bunch, for all of being unlikeable. Since Reagan, they have grown increasingly crazy
The GOP sold its soul to the crack pot religious-right.
No, it sold its soul to Progressivism.
In the 1980s, the Relilgious Right took over a good part of the GOP. The "free market liberal" Republcan, who supported a reasonably regulated capitalist system of free markets without preferences, subsidies, and such increasingly became pushed to the side. When Republicans -- the party of human liberty -- started screaming that this is a "Christian Nation" and that the most important issues facing the country were "moral" issues, then they sold their soul to the religious right.

When I was a kid, the Republican party was the pragmatic party. The party that looked at things with reason and judgment. The party that considered religion a personal issues, and morality not a fit subject of government enforcement (generally speaking). The Democrat Party was the party of emotion, and the "bleeding heart" that threw out reason and common sense for feelings. Somehow, now, the Democrats claim to be the party of science, reason and reality, and the Republicans have become largely a reactionary party -- a party of "make it like it was in the golden age" when the kids respected their parents and everybody worked hard, and like in Lake Woebegone "....all the women were strong, the men good looking and the kids above average....."

There is hardly a Republican I could vote for. That said, there is hardly a democrat I could vote for either.

Honestly, I think we're fucked as a country. We've passed the point of no return. The under 30 crowd can hardly read (adults can't read at above a traditional 6th grade level anymore), poltiical speeches are given at a 4th grade level, everything is shortened and in snappy phrases. Folks have lost a knowledge of history, and have been educated to believe that socialism is good and communism is an realizable ideal that we should strive for but is unfortunately unattainable due to the selfish nature of man -- and they think that the nature of man is evil and selfish, and tends to capitalism which is oppressive and nasty, and we need government to enforce better natures on a selfish and mean population.

Gone are the days when people generally thought government wasn't a better moral actor than people. Gone are the days of people being basically good, and that it was the job of people to make government behave good, and not the other way around.

We're fucked man.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:15 pm

Oh well. China will fill the vacuum.
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Post by laklak » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:34 pm

Forty Two wrote: We're fucked man.
I am forced to agree. There is no solution, not even a long term one. Too many ground apes, too few resources. The best we can hope for is a rear guard, staged retreat; get through the next generation or so before the inevitable, complete, ugly collapse. The Sack of Rome is gonna look like a picnic in the park. I used to think it wouldn't happen before I popped my clogs, but I'm not so sure now. I hope like hell my kids croak before the Global Caliphate or New World Order or whatever they call it, but I'm not particularly sanguine about that prospect. In the meantime there are islands to anchor off and beer to drink, so carpe diem, motherfuckers.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:43 pm

Ah pining for the good ol' days and complaining about the youth of today. Probably more of a sign that you are fucked than the world. :lol:
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:47 pm

Animavore wrote:Ah pining for the good ol' days and complaining about the youth of today. Probably more of a sign that you are fucked than the world. :lol:
Not precisely the same thing. The stats show that there has been a sea change in acceptance of socialism vs capitalism. That is a new thing. Further, the adherence or acceptance to Enlightenment concepts of individual liberty are very low among the under 30 crowd. Authoritarianism is seen as good, and you see it on campus protests of 2015 -- they are not protesting AGAINST authority. They are protesting against authority not exercising enough authority, and not bestowing enough largess upon the protesters.

That's weird. In the 60s counterculture, they were protesting against the authority, trying to get the authority to stop being authoritarian. Now, they protest for the authority to stop being so hands-off.
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Post by Animavore » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:59 pm

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Animavore wrote:Ah pining for the good ol' days and complaining about the youth of today. Probably more of a sign that you are fucked than the world. :lol:
Not precisely the same thing. The stats show that there has been a sea change in acceptance of socialism vs capitalism. That is a new thing. Further, the adherence or acceptance to Enlightenment concepts of individual liberty are very low among the under 30 crowd. Authoritarianism is seen as good, and you see it on campus protests of 2015 -- they are not protesting AGAINST authority. They are protesting against authority not exercising enough authority, and not bestowing enough largess upon the protesters.

That's weird. In the 60s counterculture, they were protesting against the authority, trying to get the authority to stop being authoritarian. Now, they protest for the authority to stop being so hands-off.
A push and pull has always been the way. Unfettered capitalism has become destructive in America and lots of people are finding they've to work more to make ends meet and can't afford an education without accumulating massive debt. They're not getting the trickle down they were promised and they're finding themselves paying the debts of the bankers under 'austerity'. Why weren't the banks that failed allowed sink and the customers reimbursed with cheques they could deposit in banks who didn't fail? Isn't that the capitalist way? America and Europe has become socialism for the rich. The bankers get hand outs and those who need it get shafted.

I can't see the type of change you're complaining about as being anything but inevitable.
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Post by laklak » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:03 pm

It doesn't have anything to do with ideology, whether you're a capitalist, socialist, libertarian, anarchist, communist, we all go down the tubes together. Whether you're singing Kumbaya or Horst Wessel as you swirl down the drain makes little difference.

People try to make sense of it, they try to find a solution. Some turn to traditional religion, some make up new religions. Messianic movements abound - if we just elect The Bern we'll be all right! No, it's Trump, he'll save us! Fuck off, it's Ted! Not much difference to Jim Jones, other than numbers. What used to be cults are now mainstream.

The real issue is the divvying up of resources. In the West we use too much, leaving little for the rest of the world. We're not going to give it up, either. Sure, it's nice to talk about carbon footprints and saving the penguins, but wait till the rolling power cuts and food rationing, then you'll see their true colors.

What we really need, as a species, is a good culling. If an antelope herd was in this mess that's exactly what we'd be doing. Or maybe reintroduce predators, I suggest opening the dimensional portals to the Elder Gods. They'll sort out the population problem double quick.
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Post by Forty Two » Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:10 pm

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Animavore wrote:Ah pining for the good ol' days and complaining about the youth of today. Probably more of a sign that you are fucked than the world. :lol:
Not precisely the same thing. The stats show that there has been a sea change in acceptance of socialism vs capitalism. That is a new thing. Further, the adherence or acceptance to Enlightenment concepts of individual liberty are very low among the under 30 crowd. Authoritarianism is seen as good, and you see it on campus protests of 2015 -- they are not protesting AGAINST authority. They are protesting against authority not exercising enough authority, and not bestowing enough largess upon the protesters.

That's weird. In the 60s counterculture, they were protesting against the authority, trying to get the authority to stop being authoritarian. Now, they protest for the authority to stop being so hands-off.
A push and pull has always been the way. Unfettered capitalism has become destructive in America
We have unfettered capitalism in the US? Obama the free market capitalist.
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and lots of people are finding they've to work more to make ends meet and can't afford an education without accumulating massive debt.
That's not because of unfettered capitalism. Capitalism has become more and more fettered over the last 5 decades.
Animavore wrote: They're not getting the trickle down they were promised and they're finding themselves paying the debts of the bankers under 'austerity'. Why weren't the banks that failed allowed sink and the customers reimbursed with cheques they could deposit in banks who didn't fail?
They weren't allowed to sink because capitalism is fettered. Free market capitalists suggested letting them fail.

One of the big causes of the problem was the "too big to fail." There was insufficient competition to deal with single entities failing. If you have a financial marketed dominated by an oligopoly of a few big banks, if one of them fails then the entire economy is going to be destroyed and there would be a depression and massive inflation and massive unemployment. So, the gun is to the head of the people -- pay or it's worse for you. What SHOULD happen is that entities are not allowed to be too big to fail because capitalism requires that there be sufficient competition. Markets need to be competitive, so when one bank becomes weak and fails, the others are there to seize the opportunity.
Animavore wrote: Isn't that the capitalist way? America and Europe has become socialism for the rich.
Which isn't free market capitalism.
Animavore wrote: The bankers get hand outs and those who need it get shafted.

I can't see the type of change you're complaining about as being anything but inevitable.
Of course it's inevitable. That's what I said.
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Post by Seth » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:05 pm

Animavore wrote:For those of us not retarded by the need to belong, the Dunning-Kruger effect or confirmation bias.
What about the satellite data?

Contrarians have responded to the news of record-shattering 2015 temperatures by noting that in the satellite data, it was only the third-hottest year on record in the lower atmosphere. There are two main reasons for this. First, atmospheric temperatures are more sensitive to changes in El Niño than surface temperatures. As a result, satellites still have 1998 as the hottest year on record, 0.14°C hotter than the second-hottest year of 2010, even though surface temperatures were about 0.07°C hotter in 2010 than 1998, and more than 0.2°C hotter in 2015.

Second, there’s an even bigger lag between changes in El Niño and changes in atmospheric temperatures, where it’s about 6–7 months. Thus the peak temperature influence of the current monster El Niño won’t be reflected in the satellite temperature record until summer 2016. As a result, 2016 is likely to become the hottest year in the satellite record.

However, the surface temperature data are more relevant to humans because they reflect temperatures where we live, and are less uncertain and more reliable than indirect satellite temperature estimates.
So they would have us believe. The problem is that due to the widespread fraud with respect to "adjusting" those historic records to make it look like global warming is happening it's important to demonstrate that other methods of measuring global temperature also show no warming. This "delay" argument is just another Warmist Alarmist attempt to deny the recorded scientific facts that show the claim to be false.

The result of all of the verified scientific fraud with respect to global warming is that we can no longer trust Warmist True Believers like you or your pet "scientists" because you've been deluded by confirmation bias and outright scientific fraud to believe in "global warming" when the actual records, and the actual climate all say you are wrong, as is every single "climate model" ever produced. Not one of them has accurately predicted what has actually happened, and the massive fraud of such computer models to begin with due to the deliberate and fraudulent concealment of the margins of error that make such models utterly useless even a year into the future, much less five years or a century.

It's all smoke, mirrors and lies, all of it, and it's intended to wrest control of society away from the people and vest it in a one-world global government that will control everything using the specter of "global climate change" to panic the populace into giving up its essential liberties for an utterly false promise of "safety."

Follow the money and that's exactly where it all leads.
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Post by Seth » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:14 pm

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rEvolutionist wrote:Merkans don't believe in climate change. UN/Marxist conspiracy. :coffee:
Indeed it is. And the satellite temperature records for this past year prove it. Yet again no warming...despite the corrupt scientists getting their greasy little fingers on the original data and falsifying it to make it look that way.
This is just silly, Seth. There is most definitely evidence of warming, and the UN climate science conclusions are very reasonable on the topic.
Maybe there is and no they aren't. Nothing that has occurred since the 1970s, when climate alarmists promised everything from a global ice age to Venus-like "greenhouse effect" doom for the planet, that falls outside of the long-term historic variations in global temperatures that science itself admits to. Every single climate computer model has been completely wrong and attempts to fit the data to the agenda are false because they deliberately elide the margins of error that make such models utterly useless and completely fraudulent.

The point being that everything that's happened, and everything that's happening is entirely natural and within the global temperature variation norms of the past half-million years. The planet warms, the planet cools. It gets more sunlight, it gets less sunlight. There is more CO2 in the atmosphere, there is less CO2 in the atmosphere. Up and down, up and down, century after century, millennium after millennium, age after age. The only constant is changes and none of the changes we puny humans are seeing are the least bit unusual or even unexpected. If anything, arguendo agreeing that human-caused CO2 is keeping things warmer than without it, there is evidence that it's keeping us from falling into a long-overdue period of glaciation that would likely wipe out the human species.

Earth abides, climates change, adapt or die.
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Forty Two wrote: Honestly, I think we're fucked as a country. We've passed the point of no return. The under 30 crowd can hardly read (adults can't read at above a traditional 6th grade level anymore), poltiical speeches are given at a 4th grade level, everything is shortened and in snappy phrases. Folks have lost a knowledge of history, and have been educated to believe that socialism is good and communism is an realizable ideal that we should strive for but is unfortunately unattainable due to the selfish nature of man -- and they think that the nature of man is evil and selfish, and tends to capitalism which is oppressive and nasty, and we need government to enforce better natures on a selfish and mean population.

Gone are the days when people generally thought government wasn't a better moral actor than people. Gone are the days of people being basically good, and that it was the job of people to make government behave good, and not the other way around.

We're fucked man.
Yup. We're fucked because we've allowed the dependent class to vote and to very nearly become the majority, which means it's a pitched battle between the productive class and the dependent class in virtually every election, federal, state or local, for control of the budget and the amount of largess the dependent class wants to vote itself.

It's entirely likely that this nation, and every other nation with a majority dependent class, will fail economically within the next ten years at most and the resulting world depression will be devastating...to the dependent class. They will die by the hundreds of millions, beginning about 30 days after the food deliveries cease because nobody will be willing or able to produce, process or ship any food anywhere.

The survivors will be the well-armed and well-trained people who can carve out isolated and well-protected communities and the very wealthy who can use their stockpiled resources to induce others to defend them against the starving hordes of penniless proletarians trying to find something to eat.

The good news is that perhaps 10 years after the Great Proletarian Die-Off the remainder of humanity will start to rebuild a society that functions on the principle that if you don't work, you don't eat and you don't get to take from others what you have not earned.

I won't be around to see it though, nor will I be around to see the collapse.
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Post by laklak » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:53 pm

Seth, did you ever read One Second After? It's about an EMP strike that destroys the national grids, and everything with a computer chip. Told from the standpoint of the residents of a small town in the North Carolina mountains. Science fiction, true, but well based in fact. It's a scary read, but illuminating. Changed my outlook, that's for sure, and I'm better prepared now then I was before I read it.

Just checked on Amazon, the sequel One Year After is for sale, just bought it.

Then there's Ten Year's After, I'm Going Home.
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laklak wrote:Seth, did you ever read One Second After? It's about an EMP strike that destroys the national grids, and everything with a computer chip. Told from the standpoint of the residents of a small town in the North Carolina mountains. Science fiction, true, but well based in fact. It's a scary read, but illuminating. Changed my outlook, that's for sure, and I'm better prepared now then I was before I read it.

Just checked on Amazon, the sequel One Year After is for sale, just bought it.

Then there's Ten Year's After, I'm Going Home.
Yup, read the first. Will get the second. That book is extremely interesting and well researched although there are a few errors I take issue with but allow for reasons of artistic license.

One example is the total absence of communications. Both the military and civilian agencies have made some progress in EMP hardening their essential communications, although many have not. Also, HAM operators are well aware of the EMP risk and, like me, have stashed away older short and long range communications gear in EMP-proof "Faraday cage" cases or even facilities (surplus military electronic equipment shelters that are fully shielded and can be grounded are widely available, fit in a pickup or can be simply placed on the ground for about $800) in anticipation of either an EMP attack or a catastrophic solar flare.

My EMP cache includes UHF, VHF, Lo-Band VHF, and HF radios, spare batteries, accessories, chargers and a gasoline-powered generator (or two) to run the installation, all kept in grounded EMP containers inside a "command post" trailer that can be moved anywhere. In addition, my Hummer is EMP resistant (though not "proof") and the only really vulnerable component is the transmission computer chip. I have procured a couple of spare chips that live with the radio gear and can be replaced in minutes. Even so, the Hummer will still start and run without any electrical system other than the starter itself, albeit in "limp-home" mode on the tranny, which runs in 2nd gear without the computer.

There's plenty of other people like me who are aware of the EMP threat and who are taking precautions, particularly when it comes to communications and power. A small generator like my Honda IS3000 can run a pump to pump diesel out of the ground or operate lights and communications and it'll run a full 24 hours on a single tank of fuel.

So, combined with the hardened military HF facilities, HAM operators would have nationwide and worldwide communications networks back in service very quickly.

Also, I think the damage to non-integrated circuit electrical equipment is overstated. The damage done by an EMP pulse is proportional to two things: the sensitivity of the device to current surges (integrated circuits) and the length of the conductors exposed to the pulse. The reason that the power grid would be destroyed is because an EMP pulse over the grid induces current spikes in conductors that are hundreds or even thousands of miles long, and the current pulse is somewhat proportional to the length of the unshielded conductor, which means that gigajoules of energy are shunted into transformers at substations, which fries them. They are huge, expensive and take a long time to manufacture so the grid will be down for a long, long time.

However, while the computers on most modern cars would be wiped out, any vehicle built prior to about 1985 would likely still function, particularly if they have manual transmissions. An EMP burst is unlikely to destroy the actual wiring in the vehicle as the conductor length isn't long enough to generate huge spikes. Some semiconductor devices like the diode bridge in the alternator might well be fried, but that simply militates for storing a bunch of common diode bridges in an EMP proof container.

Likewise, tests in the Soviet Union with EMP indicated that while some generator windings may overload and short internally, many would not and in any event it's certainly possible to disassemble a generator and re-wind the coil after repairing any shorts. Therefore, I think power would be individually available reasonably quickly for essential services and a concerted effort to fix larger generators would provide power in a reasonable amount of time. The best option is of course to have an enclosed diesel generator with a large underground storage tank whose casing is EMP sealed and grounded and whose line outputs are physically disconnected when the generator is not in use with a manual transfer switch that is large enough to air-gap any potential for a current jump across the contacts.

Other vehicles, like forklifts, older tractors and suchlike that use propane or diesel would likely still operate as well. I used to have a 1945 Allis Chalmers WD-45 tractor that you could start with a crank if needed. Simple as could be with a magneto ignition and very little to go wrong.

And then there's small aircraft. Other than the radios and electronics, most light aircraft are reasonably immune to EMP precisely because they already have shielded magneto-driven electrical systems by design. They can lose the entire electrical system including the battery and still fly perfectly well. So there would likely be a LOT of general aviation traffic after an EMP pulse. This would facilitate message delivery (by dropping written messages or flyers), essential personnel transport, damage assessment overflights and would certainly be commandeered by the government as part of the national recovery effort. Pilots would likely be drafted into service as well.

But the initial impacts will be devastating indeed and many millions of people will very quickly starve to death or kill one another in the urban areas once the food supplies quit coming and the stockpiles are depleted. This used to take about 30 days, but with today's "on time delivery" of foodstuffs it's down to a week before the food is gone entirely, which means starvation within a month and the attendant rioting and disorder in the meantime.

I do not think the threat posed by refugees fleeing the cities is even slightly overstated however, although I do think the capacity of communities to arm themselves for self defense is seriously understated. I think rural communities are far better armed than was predicted, particularly out west.

Anywhere east of the Mississippi is a death zone though...there's simply too many people and too few resources.

So, EMP harden your boat with critical spares and communications gear stored properly and grounded, stockpile weapons, ammo, reverse-osmosis hand-operated fresh water pumps and non-perishable food (in that order because with a gun you can get most things you need, whereas with food and no gun you become anyone's supermarket), and plenty of charts and an escape plan to get to your boat.

I don't know which side of Florida you live on, but the Gulf side would give your your best chance of heading for South Texas. The farther west you can get, the better off you'll be. I wouldn't try for an island due to the inability to grow crops and fresh water problems.

And then put to sea for a month at minimum and wait out the carnage on shore. In that respect you've got it good because you can physically isolate yourself at sea whereas I have to make it to my bug-out bunker to be safe.
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