Uninsured Father Dies of Toothache

[Seth]

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's lying.

What the fuck are you talking about?

you're fine with taxing them more

What the fuck are you talking about?

[As it pertains to socialized medicine supported by taxes versus charitable medical care for the indigent] You either have the money to afford it, or you don't.

Or you have access to a vast network of charitable organizations and altruistic people who will help you, but only if you seek them out, choke back your pride, and ASK THEM FOR HELP.

Except giving is down because of the economic crisis. Maybe you forgot.

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

I make a rhetorical statement in response to your claim that charitable giving is down, by pointing out that people who are taxed in socialist nations are axiomatically less inclined to be charitable, which is proven by the abysmal record of charitable giving in socialist nations as compared to the US, and I imply that you are in favor of increased taxation for socialized medical care and you come back with some twaddle about Bush and formaldehyde?

What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About?

[Schneibster]

Hm...people inclined to give charity assistance now unable to do so because of an economic crisis, and you're fine with taxing them more to pay for "charitable" assistance to the dependent class.

Nope. Just want the money that's already there spent more wisely than it was during the Bush administration, on trailers that were contaminated with formaldehyde, and a competent manager, rather than "Heckuva job Brownie."

Stop putting words in my mouth. It's lying.

What the fuck are you talking about?

you're fine with taxing them more

What the fuck are you talking about?

I ain't fine with jack-shit, sport, keep your fuckin' mouf offa me, get it?

[Seth]

What the fuck are you talking about?

I ain't fine with jack-shit, sport, keep your fuckin' mouf offa me, get it?

Ah, well, nice to know how you feel about "jack-shit" and "sport," but how do you feel about taxes?

[Schneibster]

You get what you pay for.

[MrJonno]

I make a rhetorical statement in response to your claim that charitable giving is down, by pointing out that people who are taxed in socialist nations are axiomatically less inclined to be charitable, which is proven by the abysmal record of charitable giving in socialist nations as compared to the US, and I imply that you are in favor of increased taxation for socialized medical care and you come back with some twaddle about Bush and formaldehyde?

Only in Seth world is the US generous in charity in the real world its nearer the bottom, Sweden gives over 5 times the amount

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... _countries

Evil socialist, marxist figures yadda yadda

[Seth]

I make a rhetorical statement in response to your claim that charitable giving is down, by pointing out that people who are taxed in socialist nations are axiomatically less inclined to be charitable, which is proven by the abysmal record of charitable giving in socialist nations as compared to the US, and I imply that you are in favor of increased taxation for socialized medical care and you come back with some twaddle about Bush and formaldehyde?

Only in Seth world is the US generous in charity in the real world its nearer the bottom, Sweden gives over 5 times the amount

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... _countries

Evil socialist, marxist figures yadda yadda

Horseshit. You lie.

Nobody on the planet gives more in official government charitable foreign aid that the United States. And that doesn't even count the amount given through private charity.

According to your own citation, the US is at the top of the list with 28.67 billion, while Sweden is number 8, with 4.55 billion.

Number 2 on the list, France, gives less than half what the United States does at 12 billion and everybody else on the list less than that.

[Seth]

You get what you pay for.

So, what exactly do I "get" when I'm forced to pay for welfare leeches or somebody else's bad health or lifestyle decisions? I'd really like to know.

[MrJonno]

Horseshit. You lie.

Nobody on the planet gives more in official government charitable foreign aid that the United States. And that doesn't even count the amount given through private charity.

According to your own citation, the US is at the top of the list with 28.67 billion, while Sweden is number 8, with 4.55 billion.

Number 2 on the list, France, gives less than half what the United States does at 12 billion and everybody else on the list less than that.

Hmm France what a population a 1/6 the size gives half as much, doesnt take a mathmatical genius on that one.
The US gives a 1/6th less than Sweden does (a relatively left wing country through I wouldnt even call that socialist these days)

[Schneibster]

You get what you pay for.

So, what exactly do I "get" when I'm forced to pay for welfare leeches or somebody else's bad health or lifestyle decisions? I'd really like to know.

Less muggers. The satisfaction of knowing your country's not a third world shithole with no social safety net. Healthcare when your lifestyle decisions, or just bad genetics (amusing that Libertards are willing to throw out the people with bad genes with the ones with bad habits, who they considerably outnumber), catch up with you. Moral satisfaction that you're not ripping people off and leaving them to die because you're too stupid to live on your own without ripping people off and don't want to have to admit it.

[Seth]

You get what you pay for.

So, what exactly do I "get" when I'm forced to pay for welfare leeches or somebody else's bad health or lifestyle decisions? I'd really like to know.

Less muggers.

I'll deal with any muggers I encounter myself, thanks, and a lot cheaper than paying them not to be muggers. It'll cost about fifty cents each to settle each individual mugger's claim on my property and liberty.

The satisfaction of knowing your country's not a third world shithole with no social safety net.

Not a worthy investment, given the fact that voluntary contributions and charity are perfectly adequate to handle any genuine needs.

Healthcare when your lifestyle decisions, or just bad genetics (amusing that Libertards are willing to throw out the people with bad genes with the ones with bad habits, who they considerably outnumber), catch up with you.

I've already provided for my own health care needs by saving my money rather than dumping it down the rathole of "health care insurance." And I also pay my own health care bills when I incur them, so I have no need of public healthcare "insurance" or anything else. Therefore, any taxes levied on me are not for MY benefit, but are for the benefit of others, and their health problems are not mine. Let them look to their own health on their own dime.

Moral satisfaction that you're not ripping people off and leaving them to die because you're too stupid to live on your own without ripping people off and don't want to have to admit it.

Not paying redistributional taxes is not "ripping off" anyone. It's the taxes levied on me that I benefit nothing from that's the ripping off going on. Other people are NOT entitled to the fruits of my labor against my will, no matter how piteous their condition. They are free to ask me for assistance, but they are not free to simply take what they want. That's the theft going on.

So, you fail, again, to justify redistributive taxation. Better luck next time.

[Seth]

Horseshit. You lie.

Nobody on the planet gives more in official government charitable foreign aid that the United States. And that doesn't even count the amount given through private charity.

According to your own citation, the US is at the top of the list with 28.67 billion, while Sweden is number 8, with 4.55 billion.

Number 2 on the list, France, gives less than half what the United States does at 12 billion and everybody else on the list less than that.

Hmm France what a population a 1/6 the size gives half as much, doesnt take a mathmatical genius on that one.
The US gives a 1/6th less than Sweden does (a relatively left wing country through I wouldnt even call that socialist these days)

You lie, again.

[Schneibster]

You get what you pay for.

So, what exactly do I "get" when I'm forced to pay for welfare leeches or somebody else's bad health or lifestyle decisions? I'd really like to know.

Less muggers.

I'll deal with any muggers I encounter myself, thanks,

Typical Libertard. a) You're not a little old lady, b) I don't want to have to be around guns, they're dangerous and not very effective (far more people die of self-inflicted or spouse/close friend-inflicted gunshot wounds than fight off criminals with them), and c) I pay taxes to have police to take care of that shit, stop trying to steal them.

When you grow up, you might start being worth talking to other than dismissively.

[Seth]

I'll deal with any muggers I encounter myself, thanks,

Typical Libertard. a) You're not a little old lady,

That's why Samuel Colt referred to the Colt Peacemaker as "the Great Equalizer."

b) I don't want to have to be around guns,

Sucks to be you I guess. Your preferences are of no interest to me as my inherent, unalienable natural right to keep and bear arms for self-defense trumps your discomfort.

they're dangerous

They are inanimate lumps of metal and are no more dangerous than a spoon or a sledge-hammer.

and not very effective

How would you know? I've been carrying and shooting for a long, long time and I find them to be very effective. Perhaps the most effective tool of personal defense ever invented in fact.

(far more people die of self-inflicted or spouse/close friend-inflicted gunshot wounds than fight off criminals with them)

You've been drinking too much Brady Campaign (Handgun Control) Kool Aid I'm afraid. The factoid you pulled out of their ass with your lips has been long debunked and disproven.

, and c) I pay taxes to have police to take care of that shit, stop trying to steal them.

Not my fault you stupidly believe that the police are either intended or will be there to protect you. Clue: They aren't, and they won't. What's more, they are under absolutely no legal obligation to do so, even if they are standing there watching you getting mugged. Didn't know that, did you?

I refer you to Sir Robert Peel and his Nine Principles for law enforcement for the details of what the police are actually intended for.

When you grow up, you might start being worth talking to other than dismissively.

You're not worth talking to except as a foil for my arguments highlighting the gross stupidity that infects liberalism, progressivism and socialism. Perhaps after you've been mugged (in the absence of the police) you'll change your opinion, but I doubt it.

[Schneibster]

I'll deal with any muggers I encounter myself, thanks,

Typical Libertard. a) You're not a little old lady,

That's why Samuel Colt referred to the Colt Peacemaker as "the Great Equalizer."

And that "proves" your point, right?

I repeat, grow up. If you want to have guns, live in the country. And stay the fuck away from me.

[Seth]

I'll deal with any muggers I encounter myself, thanks,

Typical Libertard. a) You're not a little old lady,

That's why Samuel Colt referred to the Colt Peacemaker as "the Great Equalizer."

And that "proves" your point, right?

Why yes, yes it does. Many are the little old ladies who have plugged bad guys with their "great equalizers." Most of the time the simple fact that they had the "great equalizer," combined with their display of it to the bad guy, thwarted the crime without a shot being fired.

On the other hand, many are the little old ladies who haven't had "great equalizers" who have been victimized by bad guys because the police aren't intended to be standing around protecting each and every one of us 24/7.

So, yes, my point is rather authoritatively proven: More guns, less crime (with apologies to Kleck et. al.)

I repeat, grow up. If you want to have guns, live in the country. And stay the fuck away from me.

Er, not to put to fine a point on it but...no. Further, go fuck yourself, I'll (lawfully) carry my gun wherever the fuck it pleases me to do so and the law allows, including while sitting next to you at the coffee shop or in church. If you don't like it, YOU leave and go live in the country. By the way, the cool thing about concealed weapons is that they are...well...concealed.

Which means that you have no fucking clue who around you is packing and who isn't, or for that matter who is doing so lawfully and who is doing so criminally. So feel free to spend your days and nights sweating in fear of an armed citizenry (at least here in the US...elsewhere not so much, more's the pity) that you can't identify...just like you can't identify a criminal who's armed either.

It's you who needs to grow up, my lad, not me. Life doesn't conform itself to your delusions I'm afraid, it just goes on without you and in spite of you. Get over it.