Derail: PZ Myers on Decent Humans and Getting Laid
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Derail: PZ Myers on Decent Humans and Getting Laid
This is a derail from the "Best of PZ Myers" thread http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 38&t=29886 -- Ronja
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Decent Human Beings' Guide to Getting Laid at Atheist Conferences
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... _guide.php
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Decent Human Beings' Guide to Getting Laid at Atheist Conferences
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... _guide.php
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
Because of that blog post or for more general reasons?charlou wrote:PZ can get fucked.
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
That blog post in this instance. A shallow, patronising evaluation and admonishment. Typical PZ self-important wank.Ronja wrote:Because of that blog post or for more general reasons?charlou wrote:PZ can get fucked.
Aside: That blog post is his personal opinion and has nothing to do with science so doesn't even belong in this subforum.
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
For example, from that blog post:
The second paragraph I simply call bullshit. If anyone needs me to explain why I call this bullshit I will endeavour to do so.
The whole 'this is my word on how to be a Decent Human Being' approach (capitalised, no less), as though he has some authority on the matter because - as he opens his post with - he's scored, shagged and fathered three children, alienated me from the outset.The first thing you must know is that you haven't failed when the object of your desire says "no". That's a perfectly reasonable response, and even if you do everything exactly right, you're going to hear "no" more often than you do "yes". Accepting a refusal graciously is an important part of being a Decent Human Being.
You have failed if the person you're interested in calls your behavior creepy. That's where you need to step back and re-evaluate: you did something wrong. Decent Human Beings do not blame the other person, they recognize that they screwed up, accept their responsibility, and decide not to ever do that again.
The second paragraph I simply call bullshit. If anyone needs me to explain why I call this bullshit I will endeavour to do so.
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
On science and general atheism I find I can relate very well to his postings. Whenever feminist issues come up, however, I often feel that he has lost the plot.
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
I never bothered with him - I'm not sure if that's a gut reaction but he always seemed a bit uninspiring, boring even. I'd reference a text-book for anything technical. I think nothing is more borish than a man pretending to be decent, he's just a man afterall.charlou wrote:For example, from that blog post:
The whole 'this is my word on how to be a Decent Human Being' approach (capitalised, no less), as though he has some authority on the matter because - as he opens his post with - he's scored, shagged and fathered three children, alienated me from the outset.The first thing you must know is that you haven't failed when the object of your desire says "no". That's a perfectly reasonable response, and even if you do everything exactly right, you're going to hear "no" more often than you do "yes". Accepting a refusal graciously is an important part of being a Decent Human Being.
You have failed if the person you're interested in calls your behavior creepy. That's where you need to step back and re-evaluate: you did something wrong. Decent Human Beings do not blame the other person, they recognize that they screwed up, accept their responsibility, and decide not to ever do that again.
The second paragraph I simply call bullshit. If anyone needs me to explain why I call this bullshit I will endeavour to do so.
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I'm thinking about the glass ceiling here.charlou wrote:Crumple wrote: he's just human afterall.
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
We seem to read this blog post very differently, then. I read that PZ admits to limited experience (apparently he expects at least some of his readers to see that as a non-cool weakness) and that he has some strong opinions, but not that he would claim any authority.charlou wrote:For example, from that blog post:
The whole 'this is my word on how to be a Decent Human Being' approach (capitalised, no less), as though he has some authority on the matter because - as he opens his post with - he's scored, shagged and fathered three children, alienated me from the outset.The first thing you must know is that you haven't failed when the object of your desire says "no". That's a perfectly reasonable response, and even if you do everything exactly right, you're going to hear "no" more often than you do "yes". Accepting a refusal graciously is an important part of being a Decent Human Being.
You have failed if the person you're interested in calls your behavior creepy. That's where you need to step back and re-evaluate: you did something wrong. Decent Human Beings do not blame the other person, they recognize that they screwed up, accept their responsibility, and decide not to ever do that again.
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J
"...anyone who says it’s “just the Internet” can . And then when they come back, they can again." - Tigger
"...anyone who says it’s “just the Internet” can . And then when they come back, they can again." - Tigger
Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
What do you make of his comment in the second paragraph I quoted?
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
Fast forward to his last paragraph in that post:
Ronja, do you agree that elevator guy's invitation to coffee, as worded in the way Rebecca Watson claimed it was worded, is an example of misogynistic exploitation and parasitism?
Oh, we're welcome to continue ... as long as we continue within the framework PZ designates, which PZ makes clear in paragraph two I quoted above. Someone cries misogyny and thus it is so.Of course, if any more experienced commenters would like to offer further suggestions, they're welcome to continue…as long as they remember these are guidelines for Decent Human Beings, not misogynistic exploiters and parasites.
Ronja, do you agree that elevator guy's invitation to coffee, as worded in the way Rebecca Watson claimed it was worded, is an example of misogynistic exploitation and parasitism?
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Re: The Best of PZ Myers on Pharyngula
The way I read it, he's assuming clinically sane, generally sensible and maybe also neuronormal people, without specifying that explicitly. He's not mentioning people with emotional problems, sociopolitical agendas or people on the Autism spectrum, which can be seen as a mistake or not. I noticed that he did not address any of those, but it did not disturb me. One blog post does not need to address every aspect of its topic, IMO.charlou wrote:What do you make of his comment in the second paragraph I quoted?
"The internet is made of people. People matter. This includes you. Stop trying to sell everything about yourself to everyone. Don’t just hammer away and repeat and talk at people—talk TO people. It’s organic. Make stuff for the internet that matters to you, even if it seems stupid. Do it because it’s good and feels important. Put up more cat pictures. Make more songs. Show your doodles. Give things away and take things that are free." - Maureen J
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If they never did it again they wouldn't hear no so often. This is completely self-contradictory. I'd think someone with a background in the sciences would at least avoid doing that from one sentence to the next. It is my opinion he's looking for tips and hoping for discretion in this article, maybe isn't getting enough at home? He's just human and full of bullshit after all.The first thing you must know is that you haven't failed when the object of your desire says "no". That's a perfectly reasonable response, and even if you do everything exactly right, you're going to hear "no" more often than you do "yes". Accepting a refusal graciously is an important part of being a Decent Human Being.
You have failed if the person you're interested in calls your behavior creepy. That's where you need to step back and re-evaluate: you did something wrong. Decent Human Beings do not blame the other person, they recognize that they screwed up, accept their responsibility, and decide not to ever do that again.
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