lol @ British law enforcement

[Wumbologist]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23075797/

A DAD-of-four who split up a fight in a McDonald’s was shot dead moments after being told he wouldn’t see the morning.

Raymond Mitchell, 34, had only popped into the restaurant to buy a hot chocolate.

But he apparently caused offence after splitting up two men fighting in the queue.

One of them, who had several gold teeth, shouted at Raymond: “You are gonna die tonight, you are not gonna see the morning.”

The thug is then said to have phoned an accomplice to fetch a gun, yelling into his mobile: “Bring me that thing.”

Raymond left the 24-hour McDonald’s but was chased into a cul-de-sac. The gun was then delivered and Mr Mitchell was beaten and pistol-whipped before being shot three times in an alley in Brixton, South London, at 6.50am on Sunday. Raymond, nicknamed Brown, was taken to hospital but died hours later.

One neighbour, who saw the shooting but was too terrified to be named, said: “He was begging, literally begging for his life. I didn’t dare look out my window in case they saw me. I heard them laughing and swearing at him, calling him a ‘b***h’. I heard them laughing afterwards as well.”

Raymond’s partner, who asked not to be named, said: “I’m terrified. They’re still out there and they’ve not been caught. I’ve been told how they were laughing, actually laughing after they beat him and shot him. How could anybody do something like that?”

He didn't even have to take a wrong turn to end up dead in a cul-de-sac.

[SPMaximus]

[Seth]

Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind!

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really.

[AshtonBlack]

Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind!

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really.

US gun deaths for 2004: 10.3 per 100,00.
English gun deaths for 2004: 0.46 per 100,00.

Yeah, the gun laws don't work. /sarcasm.

Wiki source, but their primary sources are listed on their site.

[Rum]

Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind!

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really.

US gun deaths for 2004: 10.3 per 100,00.
English gun deaths for 2004: 0.46 per 100,00.

Yeah, the gun laws don't work. /sarcasm.

Wiki source, but their primary sources are listed on their site.

You tell 'im AB!

Some people seem to have had vocal chords fitted to their arseholes.

[Wumbologist]

Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind!

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really.

US gun deaths for 2004: 10.3 per 100,00.
English gun deaths for 2004: 0.46 per 100,00.

Yeah, the gun laws don't work. /sarcasm.

Wiki source, but their primary sources are listed on their site.

A few problems with that. "Gun deaths" is a meaningless statistic first of all, since people killed by things other than guns are still just as dead. Second, it assumes that people were being killed on a more regular basis before those oh-so-effective gun laws, when in fact England has had its highest homicide rates of the century in the last decade. The US has its fair share of problems, but its naive to think that gun laws are the prime factor there.

[Clinton Huxley]

Wonder how many pages of increasingly tortuous pro-gunny-gun-gun special pleading we will get?

[Rum]

Well if you look at homicide overall irrespective of the means the gun stats fit the picture.

Most recent figures:

USA 5 per 100,000
UK 1.28 per 100,000

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

To be fair the USA has a relatively low rate compared to rather a large number of countries.

[Pappa]

It's notable that the guy had to get the gun delivered rather than having it on him. This is pretty normal over here, because of the restrictive gun laws gangster don't keep them on their person or even on their property. They have low ranking gang members look after them and deliver them when required. Even among gangs, handguns are a rare commodity, often they are rented out and delivered by gun runners. I'm sure that prevents a lot of these kinds of spur of the moment deaths.

[Rum]

It also seems likely to me that huge areas of the USA have rather lower homicide rates that the UK, given its size, and the average is boosted by extreme levels of homicide in a few highly challenged urban areas.

[MrJonno]

It also seems likely to me that huge areas of the USA have rather lower homicide rates that the UK, given its size, and the average is boosted by extreme levels of homicide in a few highly challenged urban areas.

Well if you want to compare British urban figures to US urbans ones and rural to rural go ahead, through bare in mind most the population live in cities or their suburbs here.

I'm highly unlikely to spend much time in the British or US countryside anyway, civilization ends where public transport does so those are the only crime figures I'm interested in

[egbert]

Dammit! This is simply not possible, after all the UK has draconian anti-gun laws that are guaranteed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, right? And we all know criminals obey anti-gun laws in the UK and everywhere else.....oh, wait....never mind!

One more victim to British delusion and political correctness. Poor little sheeple. It's sad, really.

US gun deaths for 2004: 10.3 per 100,00.
English gun deaths for 2004: 0.46 per 100,00.

Yeah, the gun laws don't work. /sarcasm.

Wiki source, but their primary sources are listed on their site.

Please stop confusing Seth with facts....

[egbert]

It's notable that the guy had to get the gun delivered rather than having it on him. This is pretty normal over here, because of the restrictive gun laws gangster don't keep them on their person or even on their property. They have low ranking gang members look after them and deliver them when required. Even among gangs, handguns are a rare commodity, often they are rented out and delivered by gun runners. I'm sure that prevents a lot of these kinds of spur of the moment deaths.

I'm surprised this hasn't caught on in the USA, where you can rent almost anything, including a womb.
Such an improvement over lugging that heavy gun around in your trousers pocket, constantly afraid that it may accidentally discharge, blowing your knickers off.
"Allo - Sid's Rent-A-Gun? I'd like to off my battle-ax mother-in-law. You deliver? Great. Meet me in the alley beside Harry's Tavern in a half-hour. I'll be in the red Mini quarreling with an old bag. Could I get a pizza on the side? You don't do pizza? Oh.
You DO take Mastercard?"

[Wumbologist]

Well if you look at homicide overall irrespective of the means the gun stats fit the picture.

Most recent figures:

USA 5 per 100,000
UK 1.28 per 100,000

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

To be fair the USA has a relatively low rate compared to rather a large number of countries.

It's worth noting that the US rate is down over the last couple decades, whereas the UK rate is up over the same period.

It's notable that the guy had to get the gun delivered rather than having it on him. This is pretty normal over here, because of the restrictive gun laws gangster don't keep them on their person or even on their property. They have low ranking gang members look after them and deliver them when required. Even among gangs, handguns are a rare commodity, often they are rented out and delivered by gun runners. I'm sure that prevents a lot of these kinds of spur of the moment deaths.

In the US, most of our high murder rate stems from drug & gang related incidents. People warring over drugs or territory aren't going to call a truce because all the guns went away. They're going to kill each other with whatever else they can find, though realistically speaking in the US, no matter what you do, they'll still find guns.

It also seems likely to me that huge areas of the USA have rather lower homicide rates that the UK, given its size, and the average is boosted by extreme levels of homicide in a few highly challenged urban areas.

Yes. Vermont, New Hampshire, and Utah all have lower homicide rates than the UK. All have VERY liberal gun laws, Vermont doesn't even require a permit to carry. Vermont & New Hampshire have no major urban areas (hence no gang activity to speak of) and while Utah has Salt Lake City, it's apparently not enough to tip the balance.

Such an improvement over lugging that heavy gun around in your trousers pocket, constantly afraid that it may accidentally discharge, blowing your knickers off.

There are no accidental discharges, only negligent discharges.

[Feck]

There was a UK case recently where a young game keeper fucked up really badly and a Negligent Discharge killed his GF He phone the police told them what had happened went outside and killed himself .

I like guns (long ones ,not little sneaky people killers ) I think the UK has gone way too far in their restriction of them . I think the US has too few restrictions I never want to live in a place that normal citizens feel that carrying a hand gun is required for everyday safety . I think to say that a gun is just a tool and that criminals would still kill themselves or innocents if they didn't have guns is not entirely true ... I know lots of people that might have the guts to pull a trigger but only a couple of crims with the guts to use a knife .
One thing in favour of UK laws is that minor criminals don't get killed for stealing a car or for burglary ... It may seem that the householder has a right to protect property BUT honestly is your TV , stereo or car worth as much as a teenagers life ?