Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

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Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:28 pm

Lebanon was a largely Christian (mainly Maronite) when it was formed more or less arbitrarily out of the French Mandate for Palestine under the auspices of the League of Nations. France formed the Lebanese Republic in 1926, and Lebanon became independent in 1943, while France was occupied by Germany in WW2. In 1926, the population of Lebanon was 84% Christian. Naturally, the Muslims can't have that. it's in the Middle East, and like Israel formed as a Jewish country, Muslims can't abide a Christian country in their midst. So, they proceeded to push out the Christians. It is now about 35% Christian and 65% Muslim, with the rest Druze and maybe a dash of some other stuff.

One-third of the nation’s Christian population has left since the beginning of the 1975-90 Civil War.

Lebanon was formed, incidentally, in the same way Israel was formed. It was never a country in modern times. Historically, it was "Phoenicia," but from around 1400 to around 1918 it was part of the "Ottoman Empire." After the Ottoman Empire fell in WW1, the French took over under the League of Nations Mandate for Palestine, and later freed as noted above. Prior to the Ottoman Muslim conquest it was part of the Byzantine Empire (Christian), and before that it was part of the eastern Roman Empire, and before that it was part of the Persian Empire and speckled throughout were various ancient periods where tribes living there were not paying tribute to someone - for the most part, it was always part of one empire or another. In 1926 France created Lebanon, however, just as Israel was created, just as Iraq was created and just as Jordan was created - arbitrarily. Islam is o.k. with Iraq and Jordan, because they are "Muslim countries." They couldn't tolerate Lebanon being a Christian country, so they fixed that "problem." And, they're howling mad about Israel.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Friday that Christian minorities in the Middle East are victims of "religious cleansing,” following deadly attacks on churches in the region.
To read more: http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArchiveDe ... z1FRhwq7dh

Some of the worst slaughters in Lebanon's civil war happened in the quiet villages that straddle these hills. Whole villages stand intact but nearly empty, filled with houses that no one lives in anymore.
Damour, for instance, a lovely Christian Maronite hamlet dating to the Crusades, was depopulated when it blocked the path of Palestinian and leftist forces fighting their way up from Sidon in 1976; its houses are standing but the people who lived in them are mostly gone. A hand-painted message on the wall of a house leaves the signature of the last ones to pass through here: "The Forces of the Slaughterhouse."
As world headlines lament the "ethnic cleansing" in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Lebanon stands as a grim, largely forgotten reminder that all this has happened before.
"This is a lesson," said Youssef Younes, who is leading the return of Maronite Christians displaced by ethnic cleansing to the village of Kfarkatra in the Shouf Mountains.
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-12-20/ ... n-families

The Lebanese have a significant "diaspora" population - Lebanese who have left Lebanon for other countries - estimates range from 8 to 15 million people, 90% of whom are Christian.

Make no mistake about it. We hear a lot of railing and whining on the part of many Muslims about the "illegal" State of Israel and how Israel has no right to exist as a nation because it is on 'Muslim' land. People don't want to admit that the unthinkable is really possible - that enough Muslims would be agreeable to "pushing the Joos into the sea" - and it's often written off as an impossibility, or only a fringe, radical, extremist view. One only need to look to Lebanon and see what happens.

History shows us that Islam does not abide non-Islamic populations in power. It will grudgingly tolerate dhimmi and minority populations that submit to the priority position of Islam, but that's all. There is a racist movement all across the middle east - coptic Christians in Egypt are under assault - Jihad was declared against Christians in Iraq, and many Christian refugees fled the country. Christians have been run out of Lebanon.

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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Feck » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:34 pm

A very nice piece CES but now go and find us the facts of Israel's actions in Lebanon ,or for that matter the christians . to white wash it as Just muslim crimes in Lebanon is very biased.
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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:41 pm

Doesn't that general region have a rather involved history of tit-for-tat bloodletting and feuding spanning some considerable time? Maybe it's something in the soil?
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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:45 pm

Feck wrote:A very nice piece CES but now go and find us the facts of Israel's actions in Lebanon ,or for that matter the christians . to white wash it as Just muslim crimes in Lebanon is very biased.
I'm actually providing the balance. The above are facts that are routinely, commonly and typically ignored, in favor of the basic assumption that countries in that area are and should be "Muslim countries."

Your kind of response is not helpful. Do your own research, don't ask me to do it for you. If you feel there are mitigating circumstances that justify the fact that Lebanon has gone from 84% overwhelmingly Christian to what it is today, and if you think that the empty Christian villages referred to in the article are the fault of Christians, then go right ahead and make your case.

I've not made the case that Christians have never done anything wrong. Nobody could make that case. What I've done is precisely what you asked in the other thread. You asked if I have any support for the claim of ethnic cleansing of Christians in Lebanon. I did and I presented it. Now, you tell me that I have to go out and find you some other facts of Israel's actions in Lebanon?

Why? Did Israel ethnically cleanse the Christians? Does something Israel did justify Muslim cleansing of Christians? Is your argument that Israel is bad too, therefore it mitigates Muslim cleansing of Christians (tu quoque)?

I'll leave you to make whatever argument you want to make, or add whatever facts you want to add. I'll not do your research for you.

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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:48 pm

Crumple wrote:Doesn't that general region have a rather involved history of tit-for-tat bloodletting and feuding spanning some considerable time? Maybe it's something in the soil?
Maybe - I wonder why I never hear this same response to the allegations about Israel's actions. Someone claims "Israel is oppressing the Palestinians" or someone makes the claim that "Israel is cleansing the Palestinians from Palestine." Do we hear the response, "oh, well, the general region has a rather involved history of tit-for-tat bloodletting and feuding spanning a considerable time?" The answer, of course, is "no" we don't hear that response made. Why? Because it's absurd to suggest that because there is a history of bloodletting that somehow that presents any justification for ethnic cleansing of Jews, Christians or Muslims or anyone else. What happened still happened.

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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Feck » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:21 pm

1982 Lebanon War Ariel Sharon bore personal, but indirect, responsibility for the massacre by Lebanese militias of Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila. His actions during this conflict led to calls for him to be tried as a war criminal for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people.
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Re: Muslim Ethnic Cleansing of Christians in Lebanon

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:52 pm

Feck wrote:1982 Lebanon War Ariel Sharon bore personal, but indirect, responsibility for the massacre by Lebanese militias of Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila. His actions during this conflict led to calls for him to be tried as a war criminal for the slaughter of thousands of innocent people.
And, that says what about the Muslim cleansing of Christians in Lebanon?

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