America must be removed from the "Islamic World."

[Coito ergo sum]

It's not "settlement by stealth," it's quite open and notorious. Israel won the West Bank and Gaza, and the Sinai in the 1967 war. It's theirs, they can settle it if they so desire. That's how the right of conquest works, even in the Middle East, and has been working for some thousands of years.

Excuse me while I go shot up some Jews and shove the rest into the sea to exercise my right of conquest.

Haven't Muslims been doing that for the last 64 years anyway?

Or, were the Arabs engaged in illegal warfare during the following?

The 1948–49 War
The 1956 War
The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)
The 1973–74 War (The Yom Kippur War)
The 1978/1982 War

The Arabs were fighting for the Palestinians whose land were stolen through violent means by Jews. They were not trying to conquest anything, unlike what Seth says I can do.

They were trying to conquer Israel. Why is it that you claim that UN resolutions say this or that about Israel, but you don't respect the UN resolution that recognized Israel as a nation in the first place? You either respect that country's right to exist, or you don't.

The 1948 war was launched expressly to destroy Israel, which was in existence under UN auspices. If you claim to respect UN decisions, then you ought to start with the one that says Israel exists and is a nation. And, waging aggressive war in 1948 and 1956 - wasn't that illegal under the UN Charter?

Do you acknowledge any of that?

[Gawd]

Seth, from your logic of the right of conquest, then the 9/11 attacks and every "terrorist" attack against the US is entirely justified. And they weren't "terrorist" attacks at all, they were war campaigns. It was the fault of the Americans to be in the way of those airliners. Don't you agree?

[Feck]

The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)

The Israelis were the aggressors in this war.

Even if true, which it's not, it doesn't matter. They won. That's all that matters to the right of conquest.

So why did we invade Iraq ? why is Kuwait not Iraq ? and let's not mention Korea or Vietnam



What 'right of conquest' are you talking about that America should uphold to the tune of 5 billion $ in illegal military aid ? and over twenty UN Security council veto's ?


About Koresh why were the ATTF at all involved if the case was one of child abuse ? I mean It's perfectly legal to collect an arsenal of guns in fact it's what every flag waving patriot should do . Because if the problem was bible bashing gun toting Americans then the ATTF has a lot more work to do

[Gawd]

It's not "settlement by stealth," it's quite open and notorious. Israel won the West Bank and Gaza, and the Sinai in the 1967 war. It's theirs, they can settle it if they so desire. That's how the right of conquest works, even in the Middle East, and has been working for some thousands of years.

Excuse me while I go shot up some Jews and shove the rest into the sea to exercise my right of conquest.

Haven't Muslims been doing that for the last 64 years anyway?

Or, were the Arabs engaged in illegal warfare during the following?

The 1948–49 War
The 1956 War
The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)
The 1973–74 War (The Yom Kippur War)
The 1978/1982 War

The Arabs were fighting for the Palestinians whose land were stolen through violent means by Jews. They were not trying to conquest anything, unlike what Seth says I can do.

They were trying to conquer Israel. Why is it that you claim that UN resolutions say this or that about Israel, but you don't respect the UN resolution that recognized Israel as a nation in the first place? You either respect that country's right to exist, or you don't.

The 1948 war was launched expressly to destroy Israel, which was in existence under UN auspices. If you claim to respect UN decisions, then you ought to start with the one that says Israel exists and is a nation. And, waging aggressive war in 1948 and 1956 - wasn't that illegal under the UN Charter?

Do you acknowledge any of that?

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

[Coito ergo sum]

The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)

The Israelis were the aggressors in this war.

Even if true, which it's not, it doesn't matter. They won. That's all that matters to the right of conquest.

What 'right of conquest' are you talking about that America should uphold to the tune of 5 billion $ in illegal military aid ? and over twenty UN Security council veto's ?

I'm not stepping into the "right of conquest" argument, but I will say that the US isn't giving Israel "illegal" military aid. Any aid given is perfectly legal. It also gives almost $2 billion a year to Egypt alone, and other countries.

[Coito ergo sum]

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

Figures.

So, when the UN created Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and Iraq. Were those "illegal" too? Yes? Or, just the Jewish one?

Big bad white man hated the "brown people" so much, he created 5 separate countries out of the British and French Mandates governing Ottoman Empire territories....ONE - just ONE -- of those 5 countries - a blip the size of El Salvador or New Jersey - Just that ONE was created as a Jewish nation - the other FOUR - Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan (later Jordan) and Iraq -- all created as Muslim countries, covering vastly greater land area, and VASTLY greater populations and resources, including ALL the oil. And, yet the Arabs still bitch.

And, now you cry racism? The old UN was RACIST. Give me a fucking break. The westerners that ruled the UN were as like as not almost as antisemitic as the average German in the 1940s. You think that just because people were horrified by the holocaust that they LIKED the Jews? Fuck, dude! The Jews were as hated as anybody in western Europe and the U.S. But, that's beside the point - out of the British and French League of Nations/UN Mandates - came five nations - 4 of them were Muslim, one Jewish. And, they were offered one more! There was an opportunity in 1947 to have another Muslim country in there, but it was rejected because they would have been required to allow Israel to exist. That they couldn't have. So they invaded in 1948 and tried to wipe it off the map.

[Gawd]

The 1967 War (The Six-Day War)

The Israelis were the aggressors in this war.

Even if true, which it's not, it doesn't matter. They won. That's all that matters to the right of conquest.

What 'right of conquest' are you talking about that America should uphold to the tune of 5 billion $ in illegal military aid ? and over twenty UN Security council veto's ?

I'm not stepping into the "right of conquest" argument, but I will say that the US isn't giving Israel "illegal" military aid. Any aid given is perfectly legal. It also gives almost $2 billion a year to Egypt alone, and other countries.

Have you been living under a rock and not know what has happened to Mubarak who was the sole recipient of the $2 billion of American "aid" every year?

[Gawd]

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

Figures.

So, when the UN created Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and Iraq. Were those "illegal" too? Yes? Or, just the Jewish one?

The other countries have histories and justifications/unjustifications of their own and bringing those in here is a straw man. The fact is the the UN of the 1940s were not justified at all for relegating the Palestinians to second class citizens by creating a Jewish supremacy state over their homes.

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm not stepping into the "right of conquest" argument, but I will say that the US isn't giving Israel "illegal" military aid. Any aid given is perfectly legal. It also gives almost $2 billion a year to Egypt alone, and other countries.

Have you been living under a rock and not know what has happened to Mubarak who was the sole recipient of the $2 billion of American "aid" every year?

Fuck this with you people.

FOCUS!!!!

I didn't say that they didn't get aid. I said the aid wasn't fucking ILLEGAL. It wasn't.

What in the FUCK are you talking about? Yes, Mubarak got dethroned and yes the US gave Egypt nearly $2 billion a year. That's what I fucking said! Can you not fucking read? Christ!

[Coito ergo sum]

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

Figures.

So, when the UN created Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and Iraq. Were those "illegal" too? Yes? Or, just the Jewish one?

The other countries have histories and justifications/unjustifications of their own and bringing those in here is a straw man. The fact is the the UN of the 1940s were not justified at all for relegating the Palestinians to second class citizens by creating a Jewish supremacy state over their homes.

No. Not a straw man at all. Jordan has no fucking history and neither does Iraq. Neither does Lebanon. Find them on a map my friend and lets see it - give us the year in which those countries existed. Israel has JUST AS MUCH historical claim to existence as any of the other 5 countries created out of the British Mandate.

Why was the UN justified in making Arab populations subject to Muslim supremacy States? Plenty of Christians and Jews in those countries at the time.

Everything is just one way with you. Israel can't exist because it's Jewish. Well - can Lebanon exist as a Muslim country? Jordan a Muslim country?

That reminds me - I misspoke - Lebanon was created as a CHRISTIAN country, and the Muslims started their shenanigans there and over 6 or 7 decades they managed to either kill or expel almost all the Christians from Lebanon. You don't care about that, though. Right? That's a different thing altogether, right?

[Gawd]

I'm not stepping into the "right of conquest" argument, but I will say that the US isn't giving Israel "illegal" military aid. Any aid given is perfectly legal. It also gives almost $2 billion a year to Egypt alone, and other countries.

Have you been living under a rock and not know what has happened to Mubarak who was the sole recipient of the $2 billion of American "aid" every year?

Fuck this with you people.

FOCUS!!!!

I didn't say that they didn't get aid. I said the aid wasn't fucking ILLEGAL. It wasn't.

What in the FUCK are you talking about? Yes, Mubarak got dethroned and yes the US gave Egypt nearly $2 billion a year. That's what I fucking said! Can you not fucking read? Christ!

Then neither is my financial contributions to Al Qaeda!

[Gawd]

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

Figures.

So, when the UN created Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and Iraq. Were those "illegal" too? Yes? Or, just the Jewish one?

The other countries have histories and justifications/unjustifications of their own and bringing those in here is a straw man. The fact is the the UN of the 1940s were not justified at all for relegating the Palestinians to second class citizens by creating a Jewish supremacy state over their homes.

No. Not a straw man at all. Jordan has no fucking history and neither does Iraq. Neither does Lebanon. Find them on a map my friend and lets see it - give us the year in which those countries existed. Israel has JUST AS MUCH historical claim to existence as any of the other 5 countries created out of the British Mandate.

Why was the UN justified in making Arab populations subject to Muslim supremacy States? Plenty of Christians and Jews in those countries at the time.

Everything is just one way with you. Israel can't exist because it's Jewish. Well - can Lebanon exist as a Muslim country? Jordan a Muslim country?

That reminds me - I misspoke - Lebanon was created as a CHRISTIAN country, and the Muslims started their shenanigans there and over 6 or 7 decades they managed to either kill or expel almost all the Christians from Lebanon. You don't care about that, though. Right? That's a different thing altogether, right?

For one thing, Jews are a race. (Hey, that Jewish ambiguity came in handy. What dah yah know?)

[Coito ergo sum]

I'm not stepping into the "right of conquest" argument, but I will say that the US isn't giving Israel "illegal" military aid. Any aid given is perfectly legal. It also gives almost $2 billion a year to Egypt alone, and other countries.

Have you been living under a rock and not know what has happened to Mubarak who was the sole recipient of the $2 billion of American "aid" every year?

Fuck this with you people.

FOCUS!!!!

I didn't say that they didn't get aid. I said the aid wasn't fucking ILLEGAL. It wasn't.

What in the FUCK are you talking about? Yes, Mubarak got dethroned and yes the US gave Egypt nearly $2 billion a year. That's what I fucking said! Can you not fucking read? Christ!

Then neither is my financial contributions to Al Qaeda!

You're not a State, and Egypt isn't Al Qaeta.

Your financial contributions to Al Qaeta ARE illegal (if you're in the U.S. or are a US citizen). They might not be illegal if you're in some other country which has no law on the subject.

[Coito ergo sum]

The UN of the 1940s and 50s were a puppet front for western countries who held little regard for non-White-like nations. You cannot compare the UN from back then to the UN of today. And even now, Arabic countries should be given veto voting rights and a permanent place in the Security Council.

Figures.

So, when the UN created Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and Iraq. Were those "illegal" too? Yes? Or, just the Jewish one?

The other countries have histories and justifications/unjustifications of their own and bringing those in here is a straw man. The fact is the the UN of the 1940s were not justified at all for relegating the Palestinians to second class citizens by creating a Jewish supremacy state over their homes.

No. Not a straw man at all. Jordan has no fucking history and neither does Iraq. Neither does Lebanon. Find them on a map my friend and lets see it - give us the year in which those countries existed. Israel has JUST AS MUCH historical claim to existence as any of the other 5 countries created out of the British Mandate.

Why was the UN justified in making Arab populations subject to Muslim supremacy States? Plenty of Christians and Jews in those countries at the time.

Everything is just one way with you. Israel can't exist because it's Jewish. Well - can Lebanon exist as a Muslim country? Jordan a Muslim country?

That reminds me - I misspoke - Lebanon was created as a CHRISTIAN country, and the Muslims started their shenanigans there and over 6 or 7 decades they managed to either kill or expel almost all the Christians from Lebanon. You don't care about that, though. Right? That's a different thing altogether, right?

For one thing, Jews are a race. (Hey, that Jewish ambiguity came in handy. What dah yah know?)

Race or religion, it doesn't matter. Israel has as much right to exist as a Jewish country as Lebanon had to be Christian (until it was CONQUERED by the fucking Muslims...), and Jordan has to be Islamic, and Syria Islamic, etc. Doesn't it? Why not? Other than the fact that it's Jewish, of course.

You don't give a fuck about people being driven from their homes, anyway - you only care about MUSLIMS being driven from their homes. You care not bit about Christians being slaughtered by the fucking monsters in Lebanon. Right? Fuck them! Right? Because everything in the middle east has been rightfully Muslim since the Muslims CONQUERED it. Yes? That's your position, isn't it?

[Gawd]

For one thing, Jews are a race. (Hey, that Jewish ambiguity came in handy. What dah yah know?)

Race or religion, it doesn't matter. Israel has as much right to exist as a Jewish country as Lebanon had to be Christian (until it was CONQUERED by the fucking Muslims...), and Jordan has to be Islamic, and Syria Islamic, etc. Doesn't it? Why not? Other than the fact that it's Jewish, of course.

You don't give a fuck about people being driven from their homes, anyway - you only care about MUSLIMS being driven from their homes. You care not bit about Christians being slaughtered by the fucking monsters in Lebanon. Right? Fuck them! Right? Because everything in the middle east has been rightfully Muslim since the Muslims CONQUERED it. Yes? That's your position, isn't it?

Those are straw men to bring in those other countries and what they do. How does Lebanon driving away Christians make it alright for Jews to ethnically cleanse Arabs? And remember, Jews are a race and not a religion (mostly).