Palestine v Israel.

[Brian Peacock]

Brave IDF continues to wage war on hungry children, women and the elderly by burning them out of their tents in the night.

[pErvinalia]

Most moral army in the world.

[Brian Peacock]

The former head of the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, allegedly threatened a chief prosecutor of the international criminal court in a series of secret meetings in which he tried to pressure her into abandoning a war crimes investigation, the Guardian can reveal.

Yossi Cohen’s covert contacts with the ICC’s then prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, took place in the years leading up to her decision to open a formal investigation into alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity in occupied Palestinian territories.

That investigation, launched in 2021, culminated last week when Bensouda’s successor, Karim Khan, announced that he was seeking an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, over the country’s conduct in its war in Gaza.

The prosecutor’s decision to apply to the ICC’s pre-trial chamber for arrest warrants for Netanyahu and his defence minister, Yoav Gallant, alongside three Hamas leaders, is an outcome Israel’s military and political establishment has long feared....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... es-inquiry

[JimC]

Israel is rapidly burning through the political capital it has long held with western democracies, and is coming closer to being seen as a rogue state...

[pErvinalia]

As long as it has US support it probably doesn't matter.

[JimC]

US support is no longer an absolute certainty, IMO...

[pErvinalia]

It seems it is. See how vehemently they are against the potential ICC arrest warrants.

[Svartalf]

Israel is rapidly burning through the political capital it has long held with western democracies, and is coming closer to being seen as a rogue state...

would have been since 1948 if the West had not been stupid enough to tolerate their shenanigans USA, looking at you.

[Sean Hayden]

Again from the French, pot kettle (eg the US had to abandon a promise not to supply arms because, well, someone did it anyway —yep, nasty habit of the French)

Anyway, Israel promised Hamas is done, and they aren’t likely to listen to hypocritical western powers. The situation is dire.

[Strontium Dog]

The situation is dire for Hamas, Nazis, and fellow travellers. The frontline of Western civilisation is holding strong.

[Brian Peacock]

And if a few thousand babies have their legs blown off then that's a price Israel is prepared pay I guess.

[pErvinalia]

Babies = Hamas

[Svartalf]

well, if you let them grow up they will be

[Strontium Dog]

And if a few thousand babies have their legs blown off then that's a price Israel is prepared pay I guess.

Oh, the baby-killer blood libel trope. I've not heard that for at least 10 minutes.

People die in war. Thought you should know.

Your daily reminder that none of this would be happening but for Hamas invading Israel on October 7th. Everything else is noise.

[Brian Peacock]

And if a few thousand babies have their legs blown off then that's a price Israel is prepared pay I guess.

Oh, the baby-killer blood libel trope. I've not heard that for at least 10 minutes.

Your blather about a blood libel holds no sway with me, as it only signals an impulse to comfort yourself by dressing in the apparel of offence and self-perceived victimhood when confronted with the horrendous human impact of Israeli action in Gaza. In fact, to respond to obvious concerns about the human rights, well-being, and lives of innocent children and infants with an accusation of 'blood libel' is just a fancy way of raising the historical antisemitic trope that held Jews responsible for purportedly using the blood on non-Jewish children in their religious rites and rituals: in other words, an attempt to terminate discussion by dismissing me personally as an antisemite. As comforting as you might find this it is simply factually incorrect. I do not hold all Jews, or Judaism accountable for the actions of the current Israeli govt, and criticism of their politics, their decisions, the action carried out upon their instruction, or the dehumanising rhetoric of Israel's political leadership is not anti Jewish, but anti right-wing ideological warmongery.

People die in war. Thought you should know.

Your daily reminder that none of this would be happening but for Hamas invading Israel on October 7th. Everything else is noise.

Your eagerness for victim blaming is either ideological or passed in the hope that the death and injury of tens of thousands of infants, children and civilian non-combatants at the hands of the IDF simultaneously represent a just, legitimate, or righteous consequence of Oct 7 as well as simply being an incontrovertible pragmatic fact. So which is it? Given the long-standing military conflict in Israel-Palestine, a conflict which has seen >90% of the fatalities falling on the Palestinian side, why are the innocent victims among the occupied to be categorised as merely legitimate war dead, where the innocent victims among the occupiers are not?

I believe you can only maintain that the killing of innocents by the IDF is just or legitimate by specifically attributing the plight of victims to a cause that is not under their control. I understand why you consider the responsibility for the bombs and bullets directed at the Palestinian population to fall upon Hamas, and Hamas alone. But to that I shall just repeat what I said to you a little while ago...

Again, we see the shills of Israel denying that Israel are the authors and originators of their own violence.

Let's not pretend that the Israeli state is without agency here; that there are no alternative courses of action; that the State's response is the only response possible and that the consequences thereof are therefore something it has no control over or power to influence. That's not even pragmatism - it's just a moral abrogation.