Republicans: continued

[Sean Hayden]

--good point

[Cunt]

It's what Republicans are doing. This is the Republican thread. I think Crowder is the biggest Republican 'variety show', and has spent a bit of energy running some of these examples down. He also pointed out that he was only allowed (by youtube) to speak about examples he had personally verified. Google earth doesn't count. Leaving the implication that you (or I) could go through those voter lists finding examples to further investigate.

Is it important? I don't know...are Republican entertainers and their antics important?

I'd like to see a bounty put on some crimes. Mostly government corruption. Giant cash award to lure the greedy co-conspirator to turn on his greedy mates. Maybe an example of a vote being registered to a non-existent address would be worth .99c.

How many are there? Well, if finding them was worth as much as a dollar, my guess is that someone would go look.

[Sean Hayden]

You lefties, always throwing money at a problem.

--//--

The story is that the election was stolen in a spectacular way. If he uncovered enough examples to add some credibility to that, then yeah, that's a big deal. Otherwise it feels like trying to sell the smaller story as the bigger one.

[Hermit]

I know you and Hermit don't think it was a concern of 'many'.

Stop trying to guess what I think. You keep getting it wrong. I never as much as hinted that I don't think it was a concern of 'many'. On the contrary, just a few weeks ago I acknowledged that "half of Republican voters are convinced that this election has been rendered illegitimate by massive electoral/voter fraud."

What I do keep saying is that opinions don't matter. Court decisions do. So, if Crowder takes his evidence of three fraudulent votes to court and wins I will acknowledge that three votes were fraudulently cast.

[Brian Peacock]

I wonder how they decide what's a fake address rather than just a mistaken one e.g. some prior address, or invented from embarrassment rather than anything nefarious, and some people just do live under bridges.

Is it important for me to know about these cases?* Why? How many are we even talking about? A lot of people voted.

*I realize you might just be interested in this sort of thing. But what's its relevance to distinguishing this election from any other?

When the Tories were pressing ahead with their austerity plans in 2010 and were slashing £30bn off the welfare budget they did so on the basis of fairness. It was unfair that some people were getting something for nothing while so-called 'hardworking families' were struggling to make ends meet, and if course the govt's friends in the press obligingly filled their outlets with examples of unfairness and stories of fraud - the builder laid off on sickness benefits photographed lifting paving slabs into the boot of his car; pictures of couples with 10+ kids outside large houses subsidised by the taxpayer; constant reports of court cases etc. At the time the government's own figures had benefit fraud at 0.07% of claims so the govt changed the classification criteria from 'fraud' to 'fraud and error' -- it's now impossible to disentangle the two for reporting and analysis purposes -- which currently stands at a rate of 1.1%. Basically, what I'm saying is, as Shakespeare put it, "A little lie repeated 1000 times soon becomes the truth." Crowder repeats the narratives of his paymasters because, at this point, they both have a vested interest keeping those stories alive.

[Tero]

Amy Klobuchar shuts down Ron Johnson's conspiracy mongering at Capitol attack hearing

On Tuesday, the former leaders of the Capitol Police and other authorities entrusted with protecting the Capitol building testified about the Jan. 6 attack, telling conflicting stories about what happened that day. One thing that clearly didn't happen was what Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) shared during his chance to question the law enforcement leaders: An account of the day published in the conservative publication The Federalist alleging those who broke into the Capitol were seemingly professional provocateurs and not the "working-class" people seen protesting outside early in the day.

tweet contains video
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1364256884044271620

Amy responds
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 1574072331

That suggestion flew in the face of testimony from former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, who said Tuesday that the attack was "pre-planned," and insurgents were "well equipped, coordinated, and prepared to carry out a violent insurrection at the United States Capitol." And when the hearing ended, Rules Committee Chair Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) made it clear that Johnson's allegations weren't correct.

At around the same time Johnson was sharing the conspiracy theory, federal prosecutors unsealed a case against a Capitol attacker who, in the weeks after the attack, had made it clear left-wing provocateurs weren't behind the siege, HuffPost reports. Jose Padilla, prosecutors said, used online forums to detail his experiences at the insurrection, making it clear that "the guy breaking the windows weren't antifa," but rather "patriots." Kathryn Krawczyk

https://theweek.com/speedreads/968640/w ... 9-vaccines

[Tero]

Another response (TV) to that
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 8386568192

[Joe]

I know you and Hermit don't think it was a concern of 'many'. That dissenting opinions seems to dissent with yours too.

Are Republicans the new 'anti-establishment'?
(spoilered to protect the establishment)

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Well, since Hermit already established that the dissent wasn't about 2020 election fraud, but rules for rule changes, you are welcome to your opinion but it doesn't matter.

Your opinion of Thomas' opinion was made moot by the vote of the Court not to hear the case.

And that's what matters.

[Cunt]

I know you and Hermit don't think it was a concern of 'many'. That dissenting opinions seems to dissent with yours too.

Are Republicans the new 'anti-establishment'?
(spoilered to protect the establishment)

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Well, since Hermit already established that the dissent wasn't about 2020 election fraud, but rules for rule changes, you are welcome to your opinion but it doesn't matter.

Your opinion of Thomas' opinion was made moot by the vote of the Court not to hear the case.

And that's what matters.

Yeah, but I've decided not to hear Hermits' offering, dismissing it because it has no standing. So his objection has the same standing as the election fraud. And he trusts the courts!

[Joe]

I know you and Hermit don't think it was a concern of 'many'. That dissenting opinions seems to dissent with yours too.

Are Republicans the new 'anti-establishment'?
(spoilered to protect the establishment)

Trigger Warning!!!1! :

Well, since Hermit already established that the dissent wasn't about 2020 election fraud, but rules for rule changes, you are welcome to your opinion but it doesn't matter.

Your opinion of Thomas' opinion was made moot by the vote of the Court not to hear the case.

And that's what matters.

Yeah, but I've decided not to hear Hermits' offering, dismissing it because it has no standing. So his objection has the same standing as the election fraud. And he trusts the courts!

Well, when you show me in Article III of the US Constitution where the Judicial Power is vested in Cunt from Yellowknife, I might hear what you say.

On the other hand, when I read the US Constitution, Article III says

The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.

so Hermit is right, and your objection is overruled.

[Sean Hayden]

This just got weird.

[Cunt]

It doesn't matter if he is 'right' or 'wrong', I dismissed his comments on 'standing', so they don't get weighed.

Like the recent case that the Supreme Court dissenting opinion quote related to earlier. Maybe Thomas would also think Hermit deserved to be heard.

Maybe he deserves better. Then again, maybe anyone who supports Trump is a racist. I'll have to look up this 'Thomas' guy...I he's probably a white nationalist, proud boy, antifa.

[Joe]

This just got weird.

Did you ever hear that Cheech and Chong bit? I think of it whenever Cunt tries to lawyer.

[Sean Hayden]

I wonder how they decide what's a fake address rather than just a mistaken one e.g. some prior address, or invented from embarrassment rather than anything nefarious, and some people just do live under bridges.

Is it important for me to know about these cases?* Why? How many are we even talking about? A lot of people voted.

*I realize you might just be interested in this sort of thing. But what's its relevance to distinguishing this election from any other?

When the Tories were pressing ahead with their austerity plans in 2010 and were slashing £30bn off the welfare budget they did so on the basis of fairness. It was unfair that some people were getting something for nothing while so-called 'hardworking families' were struggling to make ends meet, and if course the govt's friends in the press obligingly filled their outlets with examples of unfairness and stories of fraud - the builder laid off on sickness benefits photographed lifting paving slabs into the boot of his car; pictures of couples with 10+ kids outside large houses subsidised by the taxpayer; constant reports of court cases etc. At the time the government's own figures had benefit fraud at 0.07% of claims so the govt changed the classification criteria from 'fraud' to 'fraud and error' -- it's now impossible to disentangle the two for reporting and analysis purposes -- which currently stands at a rate of 1.1%. Basically, what I'm saying is, as Shakespeare put it, "A little lie repeated 1000 times soon becomes the truth." Crowder repeats the narratives of his paymasters because, at this point, they both have a vested interest keeping those stories alive.

--well put

Best not to guess about Crowder's motives though, he calls himself a disciple and wears a shoulder holster like a man purse...

[Tero]

It's like our Medicaid and Medicare. There is fraud in filing by crooked clinics and crooked patients and their families. So we should get rid of it to stop fraud.