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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:29 am

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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:41 pm

Republican blurts out a Seth line:
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"... thereby reducing the cost to those people who lead good lives, they’re healthy, they’ve done the things to keep their bodies healthy,” explained Brooks."
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by JimC » Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:54 pm

His body must be a temple...

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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Joe » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:20 pm

His body may be a temple, but his soul is a sewer.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:29 am

And if the Lord should chose to strike him down with a painful and debilitating affliction he'll only have himself to blame.

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Post by Joe » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:55 am

Thanks Brian, it's funny how anybody can get a debilitating illness.

People like Brooks never seem to realize the role luck plays in our lives.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Brian Peacock » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:29 am

It probably unreasonable to expect anything else from the superstitious. The idea that the bad things that happen to us are a punishment for wrong doing or sin has a long and established history. Whether it's Freddy Phelps saying that 9/11 was a punishment for sodomy or some Republican evangelical equating illness with moral turpitude, it all basically comes from the same place.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:16 am

"Democrats and Republicans are also working on a modest package of bills intended to lower health care costs."
Yeah right.
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“Every plan Republicans have put forward has failed to maintain the protections offered under the current law,” he said. “It's pretty simple: If you care about maintaining protections for people with preexisting conditions, you don’t demand they be taken away.”
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:07 pm

Obama gave us a baked potato. Biden is giving the same, but a twice baked potato.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:58 pm

Tero wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:16 am
"Democrats and Republicans are also working on a modest package of bills intended to lower health care costs."
Yeah right.
:funny:
“Every plan Republicans have put forward has failed to maintain the protections offered under the current law,” he said. “It's pretty simple: If you care about maintaining protections for people with preexisting conditions, you don’t demand they be taken away.”
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019 ... 20-1415313
Here's an idea Democrats. State fund all US healthcare, free at the point of delivery for everybody, and with the money that you'll save give a tax break to low income families.

Just putting that out there.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Seabass » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:05 pm

Only Venezuela does that, and look where it got them... :nono:
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Tero » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:17 pm

But Brian, death panels!
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:44 pm

If people want choice then let them take out private insurance - but they carry the full costs of it and don't get to offset it against tax. Let the rich pay extra for extra physio or convenience in pastel coloured private rooms where the lawns are tidy and the gardener calls you Sir or Madam if they want - let them have private elective surgery, but they have to cover the cost including the intensive care bed when things go South.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 pm

I'm serious though - the economic argument is a no-brainer. You'd spend less as a nation and the savings could be passed as tax cuts for the working poor. That's the way to get people talking about how it could be something worth trying.
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Re: The US Healthcare Mass Debate

Post by Seabass » Wed Jul 17, 2019 12:26 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:46 pm
I'm serious though - the economic argument is a no-brainer. You'd spend less as a nation and the savings could be passed as tax cuts for the working poor. That's the way to get people talking about how it could be something worth trying.
This is America. Make it tax cuts for the rich, and it might have a chance...
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