Yet more problematic stuff

[Forty Two]

It simply comes from the tired right-wing mantra that evil governments want to control everything about us, including what we can say about anything at all...

It doesn't matter which wing of government. I don't want them in control of what can be said. I think you do. It might be something we clearly disagree on.

So you'd be happy with Muslims proselyting for Allah outside Carpet Warehouse then?

In my view, I would not be "happy" about it. I get pissed off at the Christian preachers howling outside of buildings around my city. I have to walk a gauntlet of street preachers weekly. Doesn't make me "happy." I do recognize their right to speak their mind in public, though. Same with Muslims. They're religion is shit, but if they want to advertise their shit, they are free to do so.

I claim the right to tell them they're full of shit, though. I, too, have the right to speak my mind in public, and that includes being whatever they consider to be "Islamophobic." They can go fuck themselves.

[laklak]

They can go fuck themselves.

This is pretty much the sum total of my current personal philosophy.

[L'Emmerdeur]

I showed a reference to the law, which was denied. There are extreme cases, such as Sharia law being applied in western democracies, but I don't care to find them, since evidence bounces off you.

Says the guy who never posts evidence for any of his claims!

I think I remember him doing that, but the law didn't support his claims.

He posted a quote from an opinion piece without any link and gave in inaccurate attribution (it was a blog post that was also published on Huffington Post). He never linked to any law, because no such law exists. There was a motion passed by unanimous consent that paid lip service to the idea that Islamist extremists do not represent Muslims and do not reflect the 'values or the teachings' of Islam. No prohibition of Islamophobia can be found or is implied in the text of the motion nor of the online petition it affirms. He may have convinced himself that such a prohibition exists, but he's failed to convince anybody else.

There was another motion (M-103) passed in the following year which our Great Slave Lake correspondent was either unaware of or had confused with the 2016 motion. It's a non-binding motion, and no prohibition of Islamophobia can be found or is implied in its text, either. Since I posted the full text of the 2016 motion, I think I should do the same with M-103.

That, in the opinion of the House, the government should: (a) recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear; (b) condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination and take note of House of Commons’ petition e-411 and the issues raised by it; and (c) request that the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage undertake a study on how the government could (i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making, (ii) collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities, and that the Committee should present its findings and recommendations to the House no later than 240 calendar days from the adoption of this motion, provided that in its report, the Committee should make recommendations that the government may use to better reflect the enshrined rights and freedoms in the Constitution Acts, including the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Apparently our member who uses a derogatory term for women's genitalia as his handle is an avid consumer of right wing hysteria sites and willingly adopts their delusional propaganda, but is unable to articulate for himself just what this 'prohibition' consists of.

[Cunt]

Be public about your contempt for Islam then.

Organize a 'draw Mohommad' contest at your local school.

Unless their funding would be at risk by wrongspeak.

Likely, there is no problem you guys can see with Islam creeping into law, starting Sharia courts in western countries, or claiming they are an oppressed minority to gather more legal support for their religion.

There are Sharia courts in the west. Go break their laws, if you don't believe they have teeth. If you can't find the particular laws in print, and want to see if Islam rules, check if you are free to draw Mohommad on public sidewalks, outside Mosques, Synagogues or churches. Write down results.

[Cunt]

Teaching students that Nazi-ism was terrible because dead Jews is regular, so why not teach about this? It's ok to promote German-hate but not Islam-hate?

It isn't German-hate. It is Nazi-hate.

If you can't actually tell the difference, then your intelligence is questionable.

Maybe you could give examples of what is 'Islam hate, not race-hate'.

Or maybe not, at least not with much confidence. The ones making the ruling might be Muslim, you see...

[Brian Peacock]

Be public about your contempt for Islam then.

Organize a 'draw Mohommad' contest at your local school.

Unless their funding would be at risk by wrongspeak.

Likely, there is no problem you guys can see with Islam creeping into law, starting Sharia courts in western countries, or claiming they are an oppressed minority to gather more legal support for their religion.

There are Sharia courts in the west. Go break their laws, if you don't believe they have teeth. If you can't find the particular laws in print, and want to see if Islam rules, check if you are free to draw Mohommad on public sidewalks, outside Mosques, Synagogues or churches. Write down results.

So you're not truly free unless the law let's you spray swastikas on Jewish graves or leave a pig's head on the steps of a Mosque? What you want is the freedom and liberty to troll Muslims as hard as you like, regardless of what any particular Muslim actually believes or how they act, and to do it without consequence. This is basically a view predicated on identity and put to service of creating and/or deepening division. Perhaps someone will step in to white-knight for you, but you alone carry the responsibility for what you've posted here, and for justifying it if it's right or qualifying it if it isn't. I await your reply.

[Seabass]

although most Republicans are not of the particularly religious variety.

Bullshit.

That theocratic mindset is a poison.

And yet you support a theocratic political party.

[Svartalf]

Hey, I've found a new word to qualify any number of GOP members, particularly frum supporters ; they are conservatards.

[Scot Dutchy]

Shitbags is closer.

[JimC]

This is the carp America wants to force on the UK:

Pesticide residues found in 70% of produce sold in US even after washing

Strawberries, spinach and kale among most pesticide-heavy
Conventionally farmed kale could contain up to 18 pesticides



About 70% of fresh produce sold in the US has pesticide residues on it even after it is washed, according to a health advocacy group.

According to the Environmental Working Group’s annual analysis of US Department of Agriculture data, strawberries, spinach and kale are among the most pesticide-heavy produce, while avocados, sweetcorn and pineapples had the lowest level of residues.

More than 92% of kale tested contained two or more pesticide residues, according to the analysis, and a single sample of conventionally farmed kale could contain up to 18 different pesticides.

Dacthal – the most common pesticide found, which was detected in nearly 60% of kale samples, is banned in Europe and classified as a possible human carcinogen in the US.

“We definitely acknowledge and support that everybody should be eating healthy fruits and vegetables as part of their diet regardless of if they’re conventional or organic,” said Alexis Temkin, a toxicologist working with the EWG.

“But what we try to highlight with the Shopper’s Guide to Produce is building on a body of evidence that shows mixtures of pesticides can have adverse effects.”

Other foods on the group’s “dirty dozen” list include grapes, cherries, apples, tomatoes and potatoes. In contrast, its “clean 15” list includes avocados, onions and cauliflower.

Leonardo Trasande, an environmental medicine specialist at the New York University medical school, called the EWG report “widely respected” and said it can inform shoppers who want to buy some organic fruits and vegetables, but would like to know which ones they could prioritize.

Keep your rubbish.

I know that many people regard a preference for certified organic produce as akin to believing in fairies, but we mostly buy organic, or, as much as possible, grow our own, particularly the leafy greens and broccoli which are often seriously contaminated...

[Scot Dutchy]

Well we only eat certified organic fruit and vegetables. They are not fairy stories either and readily available in normal supermarkets. Non organic milk is a rarity these days as it is cheaper just to use organic.

[pErvinalia]

There are Sharia courts in the west.

Where?

[JimC]

There are Sharia courts in the west.

Where?

I have read that they operate in minor dispute-settling roles in some areas of Britain, but their decisions are of course not legally binding. Even if minor, personally I think they should be scrubbed out...

[Svartalf]

what we need is a serious Crusade to eradicate islam once and for alln maybe we'll let the Indonesians be, if they don't join the fun on the other side... Start by glassing Mecca and Medina, just as a matter of principle.

[Cunt]

I have read that they operate in minor dispute-settling roles in some areas of Britain, but their decisions are of course not legally binding. Even if minor, personally I think they should be scrubbed out...

Why not let them? I mean, the only people who will suffer the penalties of Sharia willingly are willing adherents, right?

I mean, those courts wouldn't be used to keep women bound into marriages arranged between their men/keepers, would they?

They should be scrubbed out, but you don't want to come off as 'anti-Muslim', even if it is just a shitty religious belief...