NY Truck Attack

[NineBerry]

I'd like to see the response to the proposal if a poll was taken in a variety of constitutional courts of western countries.

I suspect you'd be in the minority, JimC...

[JimC]

There may well be legal issues, but they are not necessarily insurmountable...

[pErvinalia]

Most of these people probably aren't radicalised in a mosque. It all happens online these days.

[JimC]

That may be so, but my main intention was to put a considerable amount of pressure on muslim leaders, and the muslim community in general. I am fairly certain they could be much more effective at rooting out the dangerous jihadists within their ranks if they put their mind to it. It is in their interest anyway, because the fewer of these atrocities, the less of a back-lash there will be against Islam. The credible threat of mosque closure ramps up the incentive...

[Brian Peacock]

Are we going to be closing the churches of right-wing nutters spraying festival crowds with automatic rounds, abortion doctor killers, or idiots driving pickup trucks in to people walking away from a demonstration too? Are we going to shut down the cathedrals of kiddy-fiddling cardinals and burn down the huts of sexually abusive scout masters while we're at it?

I don't think officially scapegoating particular groups of Muslims is going to be very productive in the long run. If the idea is that a community shares the blame and the shame of one of it's member's actions then don't we in the wider community share that also?

[JimC]

Are we going to be closing the churches of right-wing nutters spraying festival crowds with automatic rounds, abortion doctor killers, or idiots driving pickup trucks in to people walking away from a demonstration too? Are we going to shut down the cathedrals of kiddy-fiddling cardinals and burn down the huts of sexually abusive scout masters while we're at it?

I don't think officially scapegoating Muslims is going to be very productive in the long run.

I would be open to closure of Christian church groups that have clear links to people committing the acts you describe. I am an equal-opportunity closer of religious nutter buildings...

And I know that we have to be careful in not forcing Muslims to side with the fundamentalists, but that doesn't prevent us putting pressure, particularly on their leaders, by making it clear that informing authorities about the vipers in their midst is very much in their interests, for a variety of reasons...

[Brian Peacock]

Are we going to be closing the churches of right-wing nutters spraying festival crowds with automatic rounds, abortion doctor killers, or idiots driving pickup trucks in to people walking away from a demonstration too? Are we going to shut down the cathedrals of kiddy-fiddling cardinals and burn down the huts of sexually abusive scout masters while we're at it?

I don't think officially scapegoating Muslims is going to be very productive in the long run.

I would be open to closure of Christian church groups that have clear links to people committing the acts you describe. I am an equal-opportunity closer of religious nutter buildings...

Alleluia brother!

And I know that we have to be careful in not forcing Muslims to side with the fundamentalists, but that doesn't prevent us putting pressure, particularly on their leaders, by making it clear that informing authorities about the vipers in their midst is very much in their interests, for a variety of reasons...

The actively religious Muslim community is already under a lot of scrutiny, both of the official kind and of the more general social variety. I think your idea will just make more innocent victims.

[JimC]

Well, they ought to be "under scrutiny", and they need to accept that islamic terrorism is the reason why. What I really want is a greater amount of self-scrutiny by the islamic community. I'm not one of those who wish to regard the majority of moderate muslims as a problem or deserving of censure, but they inevitably are connected to the problem, so they should be intimately involved in its solution.

[Galaxian]

I don't think even Galacticus Conspiritus Maximus would go for that one - too obvious.

Well, I wouldn't put anything past the Junta. They are a law to themselves. They say & do whatever & no one notices.
For example no one has commented on the stupid remarks of the moron mayor deBlasio about "Cowardly act of terror":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v3fgBK-Aag


As compared with the heroic & brave acts of valor & gallantry of Junta pilots, generals & politicians:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phzRY0DdRXk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c


Perched in their cockpits & air conditioned video game arcades. Drinking & eating as they want, going home, paid well & treated with deference, with no chance of being arrested.

At least the driver, Sayfullo Saipov, knew he'd be killed, tortured & imprisoned for the rest of his life (if he lived).

So, who is more courageous; the man who knew he'd suffer, or the dandy fops rewarded & mollycoddled for being murderers?

[JimC]

For a start, bravery does not equate to ethical virtue, particularly when it is the result of religious brainwashing. Secondly, the comparison is not either/or - one can be critical of US military actions while still recognising acts like the New York attack to be examples of murderous evil.

[cronus]

Don't know much about mussies but seems they grow a beard, a black bushy one - not a normal one, before they attack. Seems the extremists could be rounded up tomorrow if the authorities focused on the beards? I know other ethnical groups grow beards, been through this already, but your muslimic terrorist beard is different - it covers more of the face than other beards....and is flat at the front where the carpet kissing takes place.

[Brian Peacock]

Round up teh bearded ones - and don't forget those Sikh, Ashkenazi and Greek Orthodox bastards while you're at it.

[Seabass]

Round up teh bearded ones - and don't forget those Sikh, Ashkenazi and Greek Orthodox bastards while you're at it.

Don't leave out the lumberjacks. Can't trust 'em.

[pErvinalia]

Don't know much about mussies but seems they grow a beard, a black bushy one - not a normal one, before they attack. Seems the extremists could be rounded up tomorrow if the authorities focused on the beards? I know other ethnical groups grow beards, been through this already, but your muslimic terrorist beard is different - it covers more of the face than other beards....and is flat at the front where the carpet kissing takes place.

[NineBerry]

Most Muslim terrorists actually shave (not only the face) before going on a suicide mission, because the huri in Paradise digg clean shaven skin.