Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando

[Tyrannical]

We should just build a wall around islam and ignore it. Cut them off culturally, technologicaly, and ban travel and trade with their countries. Think of it as a pro green anti oil movement. Give the ones already here a choice of either bacon love or a swift kick back to the 7th century.

[cronus]

Getting back on topic it is clear he had a susceptibility to mental health disorder even if no clear diagnosis. The authorities and those with influence need to direct efforts into locating and eliminating with extreme prejudice the handlers, those who provide propaganda materials etc. It would be a impossible task to locate every kook in the Islamic arena given what is necessary to accept for admittance to the one true faith. But locating and dispatching the makers of propaganda and ensuring the only imams are tame state sanctioned/monitored ones should be doable with the will.

[Exi5tentialist]

Seddique Mateen, Omar Mateen's dad, isn't helping. He's just posted a video saying it's for God to punish gays. He needs some advice, I think.

[pErvinalia]

Why are you talking about a monolithic "West"? The West isn't a monolithic unity

Trololololol!!!!

Well, you know, if you can't beat 'em

Not surprising you can't distinguish a critical point from a trolling one. The "West" is just as piecemeal as you claim Islam is, if not more.

In your dreams.

You literally have no reasoning to back up your pronouncements, do you?

[pErvinalia]

His dad has p;osted a video saying (among other things): "Addressing the people of Afghanistan, Seddique Mateen said in the video: “I don’t know what made him [do this], I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay [he uses the derogatory word hamjensbazi] club and killed men and women there.

“I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment. This is not the issue for a follower of God and he [Omar] that did this has greatly saddened me. I wanted you to know this. God give all youth complete health to keep the real path of the holy religion of Islam in mind.”" http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Yes. Of course religion has nothing to do with homophobia...

[Exi5tentialist]

We should just build a wall around islam and ignore it. Cut them off culturally, technologicaly, and ban travel and trade with their countries. Think of it as a pro green anti oil movement. Give the ones already here a choice of either bacon love or a swift kick back to the 7th century.

I piss on your wall. Or from it. Outwards.

[pErvinalia]

Getting back on topic it is clear he had a susceptibility to mental health disorder even if no clear diagnosis. The authorities and those with influence need to direct efforts into locating and eliminating with extreme prejudice the handlers, those who provide propaganda materials etc. It would be a impossible task to locate every kook in the Islamic arena given what is necessary to accept for admittance to the one true faith. But locating and dispatching the makers of propaganda and ensuring the only imams are tame state sanctioned/monitored ones should be doable with the will.

That's like arguing that trying to eliminate drug dealers will stop drug addiction. We need to come up with a solution that doesn't further isolate isolated segments of our societies.

[Exi5tentialist]

His dad has p;osted a video saying (among other things): "Addressing the people of Afghanistan, Seddique Mateen said in the video: “I don’t know what made him [do this], I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay [he uses the derogatory word hamjensbazi] club and killed men and women there.

“I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment. This is not the issue for a follower of God and he [Omar] that did this has greatly saddened me. I wanted you to know this. God give all youth complete health to keep the real path of the holy religion of Islam in mind.”" http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Yes. Of course religion has nothing to do with homophobia...

Some religions do, some don't. LGBT Muslims need support, not islamophobic harassment.

[Tyrannical]

Getting back on topic it is clear he had a susceptibility to mental health disorder even if no clear diagnosis. The authorities and those with influence need to direct efforts into locating and eliminating with extreme prejudice the handlers, those who provide propaganda materials etc. It would be a impossible task to locate every kook in the Islamic arena given what is necessary to accept for admittance to the one true faith. But locating and dispatching the makers of propaganda and ensuring the only imams are tame state sanctioned/monitored ones should be doable with the will.

Turkey tried that, now they've elected an Islamist president. Islam can only be controlled with brutal secular dictators, like the ones we fought to over throw.

[pErvinalia]

His dad has p;osted a video saying (among other things): "Addressing the people of Afghanistan, Seddique Mateen said in the video: “I don’t know what made him [do this], I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay [he uses the derogatory word hamjensbazi] club and killed men and women there.

“I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment. This is not the issue for a follower of God and he [Omar] that did this has greatly saddened me. I wanted you to know this. God give all youth complete health to keep the real path of the holy religion of Islam in mind.”" http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Yes. Of course religion has nothing to do with homophobia...

Some religions do, some don't. LGBT Muslims need support, not islamophobic harassment.

So you can say "some religions do", and that's acceptable, but when we say it, you start bleating "islamaphobia!!1!". I'm truly surprised you can muster the thinking power to get through an ordinary day. Do you have a carer?

[Exi5tentialist]

Getting back on topic it is clear he had a susceptibility to mental health disorder even if no clear diagnosis. The authorities and those with influence need to direct efforts into locating and eliminating with extreme prejudice the handlers, those who provide propaganda materials etc. It would be a impossible task to locate every kook in the Islamic arena given what is necessary to accept for admittance to the one true faith. But locating and dispatching the makers of propaganda and ensuring the only imams are tame state sanctioned/monitored ones should be doable with the will.

Turkey tried that, now they've elected an Islamist president. Islam can only be controlled with brutal secular dictators, like the ones we fought to over throw.

Turkey will have another election. Democracy should be supported, not undermined by the likes of you.

[NineBerry]

Getting back on topic it is clear he had a susceptibility to mental health disorder even if no clear diagnosis. The authorities and those with influence need to direct efforts into locating and eliminating with extreme prejudice the handlers, those who provide propaganda materials etc. It would be a impossible task to locate every kook in the Islamic arena given what is necessary to accept for admittance to the one true faith. But locating and dispatching the makers of propaganda and ensuring the only imams are tame state sanctioned/monitored ones should be doable with the will.

So you want them to take down Youtube and CNN?

[Exi5tentialist]

His dad has p;osted a video saying (among other things): "Addressing the people of Afghanistan, Seddique Mateen said in the video: “I don’t know what made him [do this], I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay [he uses the derogatory word hamjensbazi] club and killed men and women there.

“I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment. This is not the issue for a follower of God and he [Omar] that did this has greatly saddened me. I wanted you to know this. God give all youth complete health to keep the real path of the holy religion of Islam in mind.”" http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Yes. Of course religion has nothing to do with homophobia...

Some religions do, some don't. LGBT Muslims need support, not islamophobic harassment.

So you can say "some religions do", and that's acceptable, but when we say it, you start bleating "islamaphobia!!1!". I'm truly surprised you can muster the thinking power to get through an ordinary day. Do you have a carer?

The C of E, which forbids gay marriage, is a homophobic religion. The Metropolitan Community Church, which was set up specifically to allow gay marriage, isn't a homophobic religion. Is the overarching religion of Christianity therefore a homophobic one? Clearly you can't say that. The Islam of Muslim LGBT people is similarly not homophobic. I do not think the victims of the Orlando killings are honoured by turning their tragedy into a series of islamophobic generalizations.

[Exi5tentialist]

Do you have a carer?

Another attack on the most vulnerable people in our society. "People with carers aren't worthy of being listened to" says rev.

[pErvinalia]

His dad has p;osted a video saying (among other things): "Addressing the people of Afghanistan, Seddique Mateen said in the video: “I don’t know what made him [do this], I have no idea, I had no idea that he felt resentful in his heart and had gone to the gay [he uses the derogatory word hamjensbazi] club and killed men and women there.

“I am very sad and I’ve announced this to the American people as well. Why did he do this act during this holy month of Ramadan. On the topic of being hamjensbazi, punishment and the things that they do, God will give the punishment. This is not the issue for a follower of God and he [Omar] that did this has greatly saddened me. I wanted you to know this. God give all youth complete health to keep the real path of the holy religion of Islam in mind.”" http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Yes. Of course religion has nothing to do with homophobia...

Some religions do, some don't. LGBT Muslims need support, not islamophobic harassment.

So you can say "some religions do", and that's acceptable, but when we say it, you start bleating "islamaphobia!!1!". I'm truly surprised you can muster the thinking power to get through an ordinary day. Do you have a carer?

The C of E, which forbids gay marriage, is a homophobic religion. The Metropolitan Community Church, which was set up specifically to allow gay marriage, isn't a homophobic religion. Is the overarching religion of Christianity therefore a homophobic one? Clearly you can't say that. The Islam of Muslim LGBT people is similarly not homophobic. I do not think the victims of the Orlando killings are honoured by turning their tragedy into a series of islamophobic generalizations.

I never said that all religions are homophobic. It's YOU who has been bleating on for months about religion not being responsible for anything. And, as usual, you are changing your story. Now some religions homophobic. Keep up the random thought generator. It's a fucking laugh.