Gender Pay Gap in Australia

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Gender Pay Gap in Australia

Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:58 am

New research has found female top tier managers in Australia are paid on average $100,000 a year less than their male counterparts.

The 2016 Gender Equity Insights report out of Western Australia also revealed after 10 years of moving through full-time managerial positions at the same pace, men can expect to earn $600,000 more than women by the time they reach an executive role.

Data collected by the Workplace Gender Equality Agency (WGEA) and analysed by the Bankwest Curtin Economic Centre (BCEC) found women in key management roles working full-time earned an annual average of $244,569 while men earned $343,269.

The report used data from more than 12,000 employers and captured approximately 4 million employees, or approximately 40 per cent of all Australian workers.

Report author, BCEC Associate Professor Rebecca Cassells, said although some female dominated industries paid less, pay discrimination and preferential recruitment were major factors causing the wage gap.

"Particularly in more senior occupation levels, men are more likely to see greater remuneration levels than woman. So there are obviously some bias in recruitment, woman aren't accessing those high paid jobs," she said.

"This is further evidenced by the greater additional remuneration that men receive, compared to women, beyond their base salary in the form of bonuses and other discretionary pay."

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Re: Gender Pay Gap in Australia

Post by klr » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:13 am

Hold on, are they comparing like with like? In other words, do senior women managers get paid less than their male counterparts with similar track records in terms of experience and success? Or is the problem more that they are not getting promoted as much as men to the very highest positions? These are two quite different issues, although they are not mutually exclusive.

The article includes this curious piece:
The report discovered a measurable link between increased gender diversity on governing boards and lower pay gaps for managers.

Ms Cassells said increasing the proportion of women on boards from zero to 50:50 was associated with a 6.3 per cent reduction in the gender pay gap for full-time managers.
The phraseology implies that having a greater gender balance on boards reduces the gender pay gap. Well, maybe it helps. But might it not also be the case of correlation, more than causality? If you see one, you are more likely to see the other, because the same factors contribute to both.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:21 am

Your post makes no sense. Read the article again.
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Re: Gender Pay Gap in Australia

Post by klr » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:34 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Your post makes no sense. Read the article again.
I read it over before posting, and so I stand over my original observations and questions. This is the key line in the article:
So there are obviously some bias in recruitment, woman aren't accessing those high paid jobs," she said.
That strongly suggests that a glass ceiling is more of a problem than unequal pay for equal work/experience. Of course, it's also easier to objectively measure the first than the second: What makes for a successful manager can often be a very woolly concept.
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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:37 am

It would be interesting to make the comparison solely between men, and single women with no children, both having managerial careers. If the pay gap was significantly less than in the more general comarison, it would suggest that part of the reason is the extra burden of being wives and mothers.
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Post by klr » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:40 am

JimC wrote:It would be interesting to make the comparison solely between men, and single women with no children, both having managerial careers. If the pay gap was significantly less than in the more general comarison, it would suggest that part of the reason is the extra burden of being wives and mothers.
Yes, that had occurred to me as well. Not just any extra burden while working, but being out of the workplace on maternity leave for any appreciable period. That has got to be a factor, even though I would assume Australia is as progressive as any country in terms of also offering paternity leave, etc.
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Post by piscator » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:42 am

Key management may or may not rise from within a company. It's often the case that those who do ultimately make less $$ than hired guns and entrepreneurs.

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:00 am

klr wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Your post makes no sense. Read the article again.
I read it over before posting, and so I stand over my original observations and questions. This is the key line in the article:
So there are obviously some bias in recruitment, woman aren't accessing those high paid jobs," she said.
That strongly suggests that a glass ceiling is more of a problem than unequal pay for equal work/experience. Of course, it's also easier to objectively measure the first than the second: What makes for a successful manager can often be a very woolly concept.
It clearly states that they are measuring like for like, as best as is reasonably possible.

And your last point in your first post makes no sense. How is it "curious" that less women on the governing board leads to less pay for women in the executive? :think:

Additionally, it's possible to measure both equity of like for like pay, AND bias/opportunities in recruitment.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:04 am

JimC wrote:It would be interesting to make the comparison solely between men, and single women with no children, both having managerial careers. If the pay gap was significantly less than in the more general comarison, it would suggest that part of the reason is the extra burden of being wives and mothers.
Jeez. Can no one read??! It clearly states in the second paragraph that there was a comparison between men and women moving through organisational structure AT THE SAME PACE. What that means is that even if the woman had a child, it didn't impede her working ability.
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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:09 am

rEvolutionist wrote:
JimC wrote:It would be interesting to make the comparison solely between men, and single women with no children, both having managerial careers. If the pay gap was significantly less than in the more general comarison, it would suggest that part of the reason is the extra burden of being wives and mothers.
Jeez. Can no one read??! It clearly states in the second paragraph that there was a comparison between men and women moving through organisational structure AT THE SAME PACE. What that means is that even if the woman had a child, it didn't impede her working ability.
You have missed my point. Simply, to further explore the factors behind the disparity, different comparisons such as the one I suggested could be made. And yes, it would be then married vis single women, both moving at the same pace as men; it is simply possible that single women may, for a variety of reasons, not suffer the gender wage gap so much.

I did read it, BTW - stop being so automatically cranky!
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:11 am

I still don't get what point you are trying to make. If they move through at the same pace and suffer pay inequality, then what does their marital status have to do with anything??
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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:15 am

rEvolutionist wrote:I still don't get what point you are trying to make. If they move through at the same pace and suffer pay inequality, then what does their marital status have to do with anything??
The pay inequality is for women in general. If there is a difference between married and unmarried women in the size of the gap, then that may illuminate (not excuse) some of the reasons for the gap itself. For example, it may be that married women cannot stay late and work extra hours, etc... Simply, it would be useful data.
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:20 am

How's that different to married men? If it is different, then that just confirms even more sexism (that is, women are required to be home to cook for their men, but not vice versa).
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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:22 am

Additionally, you wouldn't expect them to move through at the same rate if they didn't work as much as men. The "same rate" thing really does imply that we are talking about either single or married women with or without children whose marital status and offspring status has no impact on their work.
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Post by JimC » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:38 am

rEvolutionist wrote:How's that different to married men? If it is different, then that just confirms even more sexism (that is, women are required to be home to cook for their men, but not vice versa).
Indeed, that has been the suggestion of many a feminist - that married men get a boost in their careers by dint of the "devoted little woman at home" whereas married women may even find it harder than single women. But have we got the statistics as evidence for that assertion?

Simply, a more nuanced slicing of the data could throw light on the issue, no hidden agenda, just wanting to follow the data...
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