And that's WHY we carry them...

[Seth]

Dinner at Red Lobster in Cape Girardeau.

If you are driving east from Colorado, don't take I-70 through St. Louis. Instead, slaunch off to Jefferson City, MO, the capital of MO, and head southeast on highway 63 towards Rolla, then take 68 to Leadwood, then 67 to Fredericktown, then 72 to Cape Girardeau.

It's an incredibly pretty drive through central Missouri and the Mark Twain National Forest. Takes a bit longer, but it's way more fun, especially on a motorcycle, as portions are full of curves and whoop-de-dos. You get a good taste of rural life in Missouri.

I've been this way five times now and I NEVER go to St. Louis, I always go south to Cape Girardeau and into Kentucky, then through Kentucky to West Virginia and up to Pennsylvania so as to avoid a) the interstate; and b) Ohio and c) all but the tiniest sliver of Illinois south of Cairo (an interesting historic town that's falling to pieces and just about abandoned) crossing the Mississippi, in order to not have to deal with the stupid gun laws in those states. This way I can stay armed for the whole trip, right up until I hit the New Jersey border with Pennsylvania because my permits cover all the other states between Colorado and NJ.

Hot and humid here though, 90+ 90%. but that's why God invented air conditioning.

[Seth]

The Unsuspecting Crook Is About to Have His Robbery Thwarted by a Good Samaritan With an Unusual Weapon
Jul. 11, 2014 12:25pm Erica Ritz
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A man at a Cook supermarket in Australia seemingly foiled a robbery with a resourceful weapon: a bottle of red wine.
A shopper foiled a would-be robbery by striking the assailant in the head with a bottle of red wine. (Photo via ABC News)

A shopper, right, foiled a robbery by striking the assailant, left, in the head with a bottle of red wine. (Photo via ABC News)

The Canberra Times reports:

A man has unsuccessfully attempted to rob three stores in Canberra’s north on Thursday night after being struck on the back of the head with a red wine bottle by a witness.

Police say the man, aged in his 20s and of Caucasian appearance, entered a Cook supermarket about 6.40pm and threatened staff with a knife while making demands.

A customer who witnessed the incident struck the man with a wine bottle causing him to stumble forward and then flee the store empty handed.

The suspect tried to rob two more stores after fleeing the first, but also left those establishments empty-handed, ABC News reports.

The suspect was seemingly spooked by a vehicle that pulled up outside the second store, and despite being threatened with a knife, the proprietors of the third store simply refused to give the man anything.

You can see video of the foiled robbery, below, via the Canberra Times:

[Hermit]

And that's why we carry ... corkscrews.

Just as well the bottle was sealed. I doubt the valiant shopper had an Open Carry Permit.

Now I wonder how that technique of serving wine would go in a restaurant.

[piscator]

I've been this way five times now and I NEVER go to St. Louis, I always go south to Cape Girardeau and into Kentucky, then through Kentucky to West Virginia and up to Pennsylvania so as to avoid a) the interstate; and b) Ohio and c) all but the tiniest sliver of Illinois south of Cairo (an interesting historic town that's falling to pieces and just about abandoned) crossing the Mississippi, in order to not have to deal with the stupid gun laws in those states. This way I can stay armed for the whole trip, right up until I hit the New Jersey border with Pennsylvania because my permits cover all the other states between Colorado and NJ.

Are you on a desperate x-country run to flee that abusive ex-military ex-husband of that woman who attached herself to you because you were the strongest man she ever saw and she knew you were the man that would finance her new start and keep her baby safe with all your guns?

[Tero]

I see Seth has to drive thru gun friendly Tea Party Kentucky.

[JimC]

And that's why we carry ... corkscrews.

Just as well the bottle was sealed. I doubt the valiant shopper had an Open Carry Permit.

Now I wonder how that technique of serving wine would go in a restaurant.

Who needs guns when every Aussie has a bottle of something ready to hand?



(and, if I clobber someone with a bottle of gin, and it breaks, at least that will sterilise the head wound...)

(I would of course, sue them for replacement gin...)

[Seth]

I've been this way five times now and I NEVER go to St. Louis, I always go south to Cape Girardeau and into Kentucky, then through Kentucky to West Virginia and up to Pennsylvania so as to avoid a) the interstate; and b) Ohio and c) all but the tiniest sliver of Illinois south of Cairo (an interesting historic town that's falling to pieces and just about abandoned) crossing the Mississippi, in order to not have to deal with the stupid gun laws in those states. This way I can stay armed for the whole trip, right up until I hit the New Jersey border with Pennsylvania because my permits cover all the other states between Colorado and NJ.

Are you on a desperate x-country run to flee that abusive ex-military ex-husband of that woman who attached herself to you because you were the strongest man she ever saw and she knew you were the man that would finance her new start and keep her baby safe with all your guns?

No. I'm on contract to drive a camera car in New York.

[Seth]

I see Seth has to drive thru gun friendly Tea Party Kentucky.

"Has to?" I love Kentucky, it's beautiful. And gun friendly.

[piscator]

I've been this way five times now and I NEVER go to St. Louis, I always go south to Cape Girardeau and into Kentucky, then through Kentucky to West Virginia and up to Pennsylvania so as to avoid a) the interstate; and b) Ohio and c) all but the tiniest sliver of Illinois south of Cairo (an interesting historic town that's falling to pieces and just about abandoned) crossing the Mississippi, in order to not have to deal with the stupid gun laws in those states. This way I can stay armed for the whole trip, right up until I hit the New Jersey border with Pennsylvania because my permits cover all the other states between Colorado and NJ.

Are you on a desperate x-country run to flee that abusive ex-military ex-husband of that woman who attached herself to you because you were the strongest man she ever saw and she knew you were the man that would finance her new start and keep her baby safe with all your guns?

No. I'm on contract to drive a camera car in New York.

so, you're driving commercially with a gun in the car?

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

Do you have a New York State Pistol License?
Since it's not valid in the City, have you applied for a NYC handgun permit?


If you think Kentucky is pretty, wait until you see upstate New York in the fall...

[Seth]

I've been this way five times now and I NEVER go to St. Louis, I always go south to Cape Girardeau and into Kentucky, then through Kentucky to West Virginia and up to Pennsylvania so as to avoid a) the interstate; and b) Ohio and c) all but the tiniest sliver of Illinois south of Cairo (an interesting historic town that's falling to pieces and just about abandoned) crossing the Mississippi, in order to not have to deal with the stupid gun laws in those states. This way I can stay armed for the whole trip, right up until I hit the New Jersey border with Pennsylvania because my permits cover all the other states between Colorado and NJ.

Are you on a desperate x-country run to flee that abusive ex-military ex-husband of that woman who attached herself to you because you were the strongest man she ever saw and she knew you were the man that would finance her new start and keep her baby safe with all your guns?

No. I'm on contract to drive a camera car in New York.

so, you're driving commercially with a gun in the car?

Not at the moment. But I will be Monday.

Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

I'm licensed for concealed carry in every state I'm passing through. I'm even making a detour to avoid a sliver of Maryland between West Virginia and Pennsylvania for that reason. I won't have to lock up the gun until tomorrow night when I hit the NJ border.

Do you have a New York State Pistol License?

Nope.

Since it's not valid in the City, have you applied for a NYC handgun permit?

Nope, but I might try, not that I expect to actually get one. Might go for New Jersey too, which is even more unlikely. My excuse is I'm driving a car with a quarter of a million dollars worth of camera and computer equipment in it and I'm therefore at risk for carjacking.

Not much hope in either case, so when in NJ & NY the gun goes in the lockbox in the trunk. Sucks donkey dick, but I'm getting paid to be there so I have to suck it up and do it.

If you think Kentucky is pretty, wait until you see upstate New York in the fall...

I'm looking forward to taking my time off in the fall in New England. I've always wanted to be there for leaf season. I brought my cameras along just in case. If I get on salary as a Lead Driver (which it looks like I will) I get paid for my break time too.

That's precisely why I convinced them to let me drive to NJ in the Mercedes, so I'd have a car when I'm not working. Whatever over the $200 they allocated me for a plane ticket I have to pay will come back to me by way of NOT renting a car.

[piscator]

Let me see if I got this right:

You're going to be in New York and NJ working in a commercial vehicle for months, where you're required to lock your little tool in a box while you work. Then, when you're not working and still in NY or NJ, you have to store the firearm in a nonusable way until those permits come through, else you're in possession of an illegal firearm (yours), right?

Not only that, but you supposedly drove your Mercedes in a zigzag course on backroads roughly paralleling I-70 to I-57 to Ky-62, which dicks around over hill and dale at 35-45mph because the road's none too safe, then points N&E through the Cumberland Gap to crossgrain Pennsylvania's endless hills and ridges and switchbacks and detours around cheap NJ fuel, ever onward and reciting the 2nd Amendment to a happy tune.

So, you've driven hundreds of exhausting and vastly less safe extra miles to bring a car to ostensibly lock up a gun you can't legally carry in the states where you chose to work for the next few months, and now you have 2 vehicles to move around, or have to deadhead the $1/4million company vehicle to and from the free secure parking where your Mercedes and gun is whenever you feel like taking a couple days off?

Or do you plan on taking your locked and inaccessible gun around with you in the company commercial motor vehicle, which you leave parked in a hotel lot when you're not using it, and carrying the lockbox on the bus back to where you left the Mercedes?*





* This option would seem to offer you the best chance at self-defense, since no one will know you have the weapon under your pillow when you sleep.

[Seth]

Let me see if I got this right:

You're going to be in New York and NJ working in a commercial vehicle for months, where you're required to lock your little tool in a box while you work. Then, when you're not working and still in NY or NJ, you have to store the firearm in a nonusable way until those permits come through, else you're in possession of an illegal firearm (yours), right?

Sadly, yes.

Not only that, but you supposedly drove your Mercedes in a zigzag course on backroads roughly paralleling I-70 to I-57 to Ky-62, which dicks around over hill and dale at 35-45mph because the road's none too safe, then points N&E through the Cumberland Gap to crossgrain Pennsylvania's endless hills and ridges and switchbacks and detours around cheap NJ fuel, ever onward and reciting the 2nd Amendment to a happy tune.

Nah, mostly interstates except for the Missouri portion where I chose the scenic route. I'm on I79 in Clarksburg having dinner, headed for a hotel in Morgantown for the night. Tomorrow east through southern PA to NJ to Newark.

So, you've driven hundreds of exhausting and vastly less safe extra miles to bring a car to ostensibly lock up a gun you can't legally carry in the states where you chose to work for the next few months,

No, I've driven a few hundred extra miles in order to enjoy the beauty of the drive so that I will have my car for my time off, which will save me hundreds or thousands of dollars renting cars over the next 1 to 3 years.

and now you have 2 vehicles to move around, or have to deadhead the $1/4million company vehicle to and from the free secure parking where your Mercedes and gun is whenever you feel like taking a couple days off?

No, not really. There's 7 people in the team and 5 camera cars, so there's plenty of people to shuttle cars while I drive my own. Plus, I can give my fellow team members rides in our off hours so they don't have to rent a car either if they don't want to. Plus, assuming I get the lead driver position, I'll not be driving every day and may need a car for other various duties associated with being a supervisor.

Or do you plan on taking your locked and inaccessible gun around with you in the company commercial motor vehicle, which you leave parked in a hotel lot when you're not using it, and carrying the lockbox on the bus back to where you left the Mercedes?*

The gun stays in my car, securely locked up and hidden until I'm done in NJ & NY. As soon as I get out of the eastern seaboard states that are anti-gun, I'm good to carry it whenever I like.

* This option would seem to offer you the best chance at self-defense, since no one will know you have the weapon under your pillow when you sleep.

It's legal for me to have a pistol in my "domicile," which includes hotel rooms.

[piscator]

Let me see if I got this right:

You're going to be in New York and NJ working in a commercial vehicle for months, where you're required to lock your little tool in a box while you work. Then, when you're not working and still in NY or NJ, you have to store the firearm in a nonusable way until those permits come through, else you're in possession of an illegal firearm (yours), right?

Sadly, yes.

Not only that, but you supposedly drove your Mercedes in a zigzag course on backroads roughly paralleling I-70 to I-57 to Ky-62, which dicks around over hill and dale at 35-45mph because the road's none too safe, then points N&E through the Cumberland Gap to crossgrain Pennsylvania's endless hills and ridges and switchbacks and detours around cheap NJ fuel, ever onward and reciting the 2nd Amendment to a happy tune.

Nah, mostly interstates except for the Missouri portion where I chose the scenic route. I'm on I79 in Clarksburg having dinner, headed for a hotel in Morgantown for the night. Tomorrow east through southern PA to NJ to Newark.

So, you've driven hundreds of exhausting and vastly less safe extra miles to bring a car to ostensibly lock up a gun you can't legally carry in the states where you chose to work for the next few months,

No, I've driven a few hundred extra miles in order to enjoy the beauty of the drive so that I will have my car for my time off, which will save me hundreds or thousands of dollars renting cars over the next 1 to 3 years.

and now you have 2 vehicles to move around, or have to deadhead the $1/4million company vehicle to and from the free secure parking where your Mercedes and gun is whenever you feel like taking a couple days off?

No, not really. There's 7 people in the team and 5 camera cars, so there's plenty of people to shuttle cars while I drive my own. Plus, I can give my fellow team members rides in our off hours so they don't have to rent a car either if they don't want to. Plus, assuming I get the lead driver position, I'll not be driving every day and may need a car for other various duties associated with being a supervisor.

Or do you plan on taking your locked and inaccessible gun around with you in the company commercial motor vehicle, which you leave parked in a hotel lot when you're not using it, and carrying the lockbox on the bus back to where you left the Mercedes?*

The gun stays in my car, securely locked up and hidden until I'm done in NJ & NY. As soon as I get out of the eastern seaboard states that are anti-gun, I'm good to carry it whenever I like.

* This option would seem to offer you the best chance at self-defense, since no one will know you have the weapon under your pillow when you sleep.

It's legal for me to have a pistol in my "domicile," which includes hotel rooms.

Your "Domicile" is Colorado. Your hotel room walls are curtilage of your dwelling in New York, and it doesn't entail the same set of rights associated with one's home in New York. Lots of lawyers in NY though, in case you have to defend your hotel room and company equipment, as well as yourself. This should give you all the scope you need to use your firearm in defense of your life on this big Bing thing.



I brought up the extra miles and hours on less safe roads simply because it's a statistically much greater threat to your safety than anything a gun might help with.

[Tero]

I brought up the extra miles and hours on less safe roads simply because it's a statistically much greater threat to your safety than anything a gun might help with.

Seth it tough. Anything you or I would do for our baby he will do for his gun.

[piscator]

At least they've made it clear WHY they carry them: they were mostly weaned off the teat too early and need comfort objects.