Search on after Malaysia Airlines flight vanishes

[DaveDodo007]

Fuck the plane I just like the fact that there is a 'British Indian Ocean.' That's fucked up and beautiful at the same time.

[Svartalf]

Yeah, especially the fact that it sits around and island called Diego Garcia... that happens to house a US naval base.

[pErvinalia]

Is your understanding of geography as flawed as your climate science??

This is the range....the big circle

not only in range but at the correct time.....and EASILY in range

once again shooting your mouth off with flawed understanding
Ping evidence does not give directionality.

Yet another stupid post from the master of incredibly stupid posts.
I didn't say the Maldives were out of RANGE. duuuuuuuuuh.
You can't even comprehend simple text. How can you pretend to understand climate, when you can't even understand a few words written in simple English?
And what do you think the red lines on your own picture are for?

Go back and try to understand what you are commenting on. If you can actually make a slightly intelligent comment, I'm happy to help you, but that effort is the pits.

Yeah, I'm not getting Macdoc's point either. It was on one of those red lines when the satellite got the ping. Why would it be on one of those headings, and then divert towards the Maldives?

By the way, I was wondering about Diego Garcia. I like the idea of a US/Brit conspiracy to abduct the Iranian nuclear physicists on board, and the two Mossad agents as well. Eventually the other passengers will turn up wandering aimlessly in the deserts of North Western Australia...

[pErvinalia]

The other thing I want to know is why weren't there subsequent pings from the engine thingy? Does that mean it landed/crashed before the next one was due? Or was the satellite out of range??

[pErvinalia]

Breaking news:

Two possible objects related to the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have been found in the southern Indian Ocean, the Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott, says.

“I would like to inform the house that new and credible information has come to light in relation to the search for Malaysia airlines flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean,” he told parliament on Thursday.

“The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search.

“Following specialist analysis of this satellite imagery, two possible objects related to the search have been identified.

“I can inform the house that a Royal Australian Air Force Orion has been diverted to attempt to locate the objects. This Orion is expected to arrive in the area at about this time. Three more aircraft will follow this Orion. They are tasked for more intensive follow-up search.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... MP=soc_567

[pErvinalia]

If it turns out to be them... what in the fuck where they doing down there??

[mistermack]

Yeah, I'm not getting Macdoc's point either. It was on one of those red lines when the satellite got the ping. Why would it be on one of those headings, and then divert towards the Maldives?

From what I gather, they can't tell direction from the pings, but from the strength of the pings, they can calculate the distance from the satellite. If you have a range of pings, you can use the earliest ones from a known position to calibrate the rest of them I guess. They haven't said how they do it, just that they can calculate the range from the satellite, and that puts the location on one of the red curves, but they don't know if it's the north or south one.
But as there is plenty of military radar covering the north one, they are assuming it most likely went the southern route.
So if the ping calculations are correct, it couldn't possibly have gone to the Maldives, it doesn't match up to their calculations shown by the red lines.

Also, the time of the reported sighting in the Maldives would mean that the plane would have been in the air for about eight and a half hours, when it's original trip was a five hours forty nine minutes flying time. They could easily do the calculation whether the plane could stay in the air that long on it's fuel load.

[mistermack]

If it turns out to be them... what in the fuck where they doing down there??

That sighting looks to be at the bottom end of the calculated route, from the ping information. So I guess it's in keeping with it running out of fuel on the southern red line.

It's looking like a pilot suicide if the reports of them turning off the transponders check out.
You wouldn't think that terrorists would just fly it south and ditch it.
But I suppose you never know with loonies.

[macdoc]

KUALA LUMPUR, March 18 ― Investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-made flight simulator, a Malay daily reported today.

An unnamed source told Berita Harian that while it was too early to make any conclusions on the new finding, it was still considered an important element in the probe on the whereabouts of the plane and its 239 people.

“The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malay ... lator-bh-r

It depends on where it crossed the arcs and the plane would have been near the Maldives based on time and range at the time of the sightings

You are acting as if the arc is some sort of barrier it's not....the closer to the centre of the arc the longer the plane can fly beyond it.

The pilot apparently had 5 S Indian Ocean runways in his flight simulator.

The plane turned sharply west and made several course corrections so was under control - that is certain.
Where were they going?

The pilot apparently had 5 Indian Ocean runways in his simulator.
Odd that but not impossible.

People in the Maldives reportedly observed a low flying jumbo at 6.15 am the morning after the flight went missing. The local aviation guy confirmed there would be no jets of that type at that time of day.

That is almost right on the arc at the correct time.

[macdoc]

slightly better outline...and MM - read what the fuck you wrote instead of back pedaling.

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There is no question it was piloted long after it crossed Malayasia as it followed way points.
Fire does not hold water

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KUALA LUMPUR, March 18 ― Investigators have discovered the runways of five airports near the Indian Ocean loaded into Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-made flight simulator, a Malay daily reported today.

An unnamed source told Berita Harian that while it was too early to make any conclusions on the new finding, it was still considered an important element in the probe on the whereabouts of the plane and its 239 people.

“The simulation programmes are based on runways at the Male International Airport in Maldives, an airport owned by the United States (Diego Garcia), and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka, all have runway lengths of 1,000 metres.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malay ... lator-bh-r

It depends on where it crossed the arcs and the plane would have been near the Maldives based on time and range at the time of the sightings

Peope are acting as if the arc is some sort of barrier it's not....the closer to the centre of the arc the longer the plane can fly beyond it.

The pilot apparently had 5 S Indian Ocean runways in his flight simulator.

The plane turned sharply west and made several course corrections so was under control - that is certain.
Where were they going?

The pilot apparently had 5 Indian Ocean runways in his simulator including Male in the Maldives.
Odd that but not impossible.
Kuala Lumpur is directly east from Male - we know the plane turned sharply west and the comms turned off.
The plane can hide in plain sight on the international route that connect Male and Kuala Lumpur

People in the Maldives reportedly observed a low flying jumbo at 6.15 am the morning after the flight went missing.
That is consistent with the flight time to the Maldives . The local aviation guy confirmed there would be no jets of that type at that time of day. I don't for one second beleive the Maldives "defence minister" denial - ass covering at best.
The plane would be under the radar as it headed south - consistent with the observations.
For orientation the Maldives are on that mountain range in the Indian Ocean....the Maldives are tips of the volcanic range ( ala Hawaii bt much longer chain )

That is almost right on corssing the arc at the and getting to Maldives at correct time and then heading south.
The plane was observed on a SW course toward the end of the chain.



The oval is the range...the new info from Australia is right on the edge of the range of the plane

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it is SSE of the Maldives w- the plane was on a course to the end of the island change. The Maldives are 1,000 km long!!!!!

[pErvinalia]

Yeah, I'm not getting Macdoc's point either. It was on one of those red lines when the satellite got the ping. Why would it be on one of those headings, and then divert towards the Maldives?

From what I gather, they can't tell direction from the pings, but from the strength of the pings, they can calculate the distance from the satellite. If you have a range of pings, you can use the earliest ones from a known position to calibrate the rest of them I guess. They haven't said how they do it, just that they can calculate the range from the satellite, and that puts the location on one of the red curves, but they don't know if it's the north or south one.
But as there is plenty of military radar covering the north one, they are assuming it most likely went the southern route.
So if the ping calculations are correct, it couldn't possibly have gone to the Maldives, it doesn't match up to their calculations shown by the red lines.

Also, the time of the reported sighting in the Maldives would mean that the plane would have been in the air for about eight and a half hours, when it's original trip was a five hours forty nine minutes flying time. They could easily do the calculation whether the plane could stay in the air that long on it's fuel load.

As far as I understand it, those red line corridors are based on the last ping received. Presumably before that it was closer to Malaysia (i.e. further away from those corridors).

[mistermack]

Macdoc, I think you are cracking up. Or perhaps you cracked years ago.

If the plane was still in the air, at the Maldives, 8 hrs 30 minutes after it took off, ( which is pushing it to the limit, and maybe beyond ), how could it fly another 4,500 km to where the Australians are looking?

It's no wonder you can't grasp climate science.

[pErvinalia]

If it turns out to be them... what in the fuck where they doing down there??

That sighting looks to be at the bottom end of the calculated route, from the ping information. So I guess it's in keeping with it running out of fuel on the southern red line.

It's looking like a pilot suicide if the reports of them turning off the transponders check out.
You wouldn't think that terrorists would just fly it south and ditch it.
But I suppose you never know with loonies.

I don't understand why, if it was a suicide mission, they wouldn't just ditch it straight into the ocean/land around Malaysia. Why fly all the way down there to just run out of fuel and crash. Maybe they wanted to leave a mystery behind. Fucking bizarre case, this.

[mistermack]

As far as I understand it, those red line corridors are based on the last ping received. Presumably before that it was closer to Malaysia (i.e. further away from those corridors).

Yes, but they probably know more than that, as they got four or five pings, one every hour.
That would give them four or five sets of red lines, so they should be able to make out some sort route, even if they don't know if it's north or south. They could certainly exclude the Maldives, if all of the pings put it thousands of km away.

[mistermack]

I don't understand why, if it was a suicide mission, they wouldn't just ditch it straight into the ocean/land around Malaysia. Why fly all the way down there to just run out of fuel and crash. Maybe they wanted to leave a mystery behind. Fucking bizarre case, this.

Yeh, it certainly is. It's compounded by the fact that what gets put out to the media doesn't always turn out to be accurate.

There are probably possibilities that nobody has thought of. Real life events can be weirder and more unlikely than anything you can dream up.