Mother and Teen Daughter Caught Smuggling Money!

[pErvinalia]

Is having money on you evidence of a crime?

Possibly , its like going around with a mask and a bag labelled swag while wandering down a street after dark. It's not illegal but it is suspicious and reasonable suspicion is all you need to arrest someone

So much fail here.

Reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed (or in the US "probable cause" that a crime is being or has been committed) is what is required to arrest someone. I don't know what country you're in, but in the US it would not be lawful for the cops to arrest you because you were wandering around with a mask on and carrying a bag labeled swag, even after dark. It might be reason to QUESTION you, but it would not be reason to ARREST you, or take your bag or mask.

They did question her, and they proved that she was lying. Not sure of what point you are trying to make here.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Large quantities of conceal cash, undeclared. Nope, can't see any reason to be suspicious there.

The government manufactures the requirement to "declare" it. If the government didn't have the requirement to declare the money, there would be no suspiciousness in her failure to declare.

And, I think it is bullshit for the government to require all these declarations - they amount to forcing us to testify against ourselves. That's unAmerican, and unCanadian.

They passed a law. Don't like it, don't obey it. C-Ya on "Cops."

[Coito ergo sum]

They can take you into custody for questioning. If you resist the officers they can arrest you for that.

They can't force you to go anywhere with them, like to the police station, without arresting you. You can go voluntarily, but if they say "we're taking you downtown for questioning" and you say "fuck off and die, flatfoot" they can't do a damn thing to you unless they arrest you. And, they can only arrest you if they have probable cause.

They can, without arrest, briefly (minutes) stop and frisk you IF, and only IF they have "reasonable suspicion" that you have contraband on you or other evidence of a crime.

If the police detain you for questioning out and about, it can only be for a very short period of time and they can't (without your consent) remove you from the immediate vicinity of where the detention started without placing you under arrest.

[Coito ergo sum]

Large quantities of conceal cash, undeclared. Nope, can't see any reason to be suspicious there.

The government manufactures the requirement to "declare" it. If the government didn't have the requirement to declare the money, there would be no suspiciousness in her failure to declare.

And, I think it is bullshit for the government to require all these declarations - they amount to forcing us to testify against ourselves. That's unAmerican, and unCanadian.

They passed a law. Don't like it, don't obey it. C-Ya on "Cops."

I prefer to obey laws i don't like, but talk about the reasons why they are improper. Just because something is a law doesn't mean we can't discuss it.

[Coito ergo sum]

Is having money on you evidence of a crime?

Possibly , its like going around with a mask and a bag labelled swag while wandering down a street after dark. It's not illegal but it is suspicious and reasonable suspicion is all you need to arrest someone

So much fail here.

Reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed (or in the US "probable cause" that a crime is being or has been committed) is what is required to arrest someone. I don't know what country you're in, but in the US it would not be lawful for the cops to arrest you because you were wandering around with a mask on and carrying a bag labeled swag, even after dark. It might be reason to QUESTION you, but it would not be reason to ARREST you, or take your bag or mask.

They did question her, and they proved that she was lying. Not sure of what point you are trying to make here.

Is this really that confusing to you people? WTF?

The law requiring declaration of how much cash someone is carrying is, in my view, bogus for the reasons stated. Why is that so hard to understand?

So fucking what if she was lying? That's like lying about whether or not you have peanuts and Coca-Cola in your trunk. No officer, I do not have anything in my trunk. Why, lookie here -- peanuts andCoca Cola....

[pErvinalia]

Is having money on you evidence of a crime?

Possibly , its like going around with a mask and a bag labelled swag while wandering down a street after dark. It's not illegal but it is suspicious and reasonable suspicion is all you need to arrest someone

So much fail here.

Reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed (or in the US "probable cause" that a crime is being or has been committed) is what is required to arrest someone. I don't know what country you're in, but in the US it would not be lawful for the cops to arrest you because you were wandering around with a mask on and carrying a bag labeled swag, even after dark. It might be reason to QUESTION you, but it would not be reason to ARREST you, or take your bag or mask.

They did question her, and they proved that she was lying. Not sure of what point you are trying to make here.

Is this really that confusing to you people? WTF?

The law requiring declaration of how much cash someone is carrying is, in my view, bogus for the reasons stated. Why is that so hard to understand?

Because your quote above was talking about "questioning" people.

So fucking what if she was lying? That's like lying about whether or not you have peanuts and Coca-Cola in your trunk. No officer, I do not have anything in my trunk. Why, lookie here -- peanuts andCoca Cola....

No it's not, for the reasons given to you so far in this thread.

[Coito ergo sum]

Because your quote above was talking about "questioning" people.

Exactly. The "declaration" is an answer to a question.

So fucking what if she was lying? That's like lying about whether or not you have peanuts and Coca-Cola in your trunk. No officer, I do not have anything in my trunk. Why, lookie here -- peanuts andCoca Cola....

No it's not, for the reasons given to you so far in this thread.

Of course it is -- having money -- even lots of it -- is perfectly legal, FFS. So, if a cop says to me, "Hey buddy - you have any money on you?" And, I say, "no officer, I have no money on me." Then he frisks me and finds $100,000, my lie is not a crime, so who gives a shit?

He may want to investigate me to figure out if I was covering something up by lying, but if all that he has is me lying about holding $100,000, that would not be reason to seize the money. Similarly, it should not be reason enough to seize the money from this lady.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They can take you into custody for questioning. If you resist the officers they can arrest you for that.

They can't force you to go anywhere with them, like to the police station, without arresting you. You can go voluntarily, but if they say "we're taking you downtown for questioning" and you say "fuck off and die, flatfoot" they can't do a damn thing to you unless they arrest you. And, they can only arrest you if they have probable cause.

They can, without arrest, briefly (minutes) stop and frisk you IF, and only IF they have "reasonable suspicion" that you have contraband on you or other evidence of a crime.

If the police detain you for questioning out and about, it can only be for a very short period of time and they can't (without your consent) remove you from the immediate vicinity of where the detention started without placing you under arrest.

You just agree with me. Did you even read what you're responding to?

[Jason]

Moving large amounts of money attracts federal attention in most countries these days, especially across international borders. For whatever reason, they didn't want that attention.

[Coito ergo sum]

They can take you into custody for questioning. If you resist the officers they can arrest you for that.

They can't force you to go anywhere with them, like to the police station, without arresting you. You can go voluntarily, but if they say "we're taking you downtown for questioning" and you say "fuck off and die, flatfoot" they can't do a damn thing to you unless they arrest you. And, they can only arrest you if they have probable cause.

They can, without arrest, briefly (minutes) stop and frisk you IF, and only IF they have "reasonable suspicion" that you have contraband on you or other evidence of a crime.

If the police detain you for questioning out and about, it can only be for a very short period of time and they can't (without your consent) remove you from the immediate vicinity of where the detention started without placing you under arrest.

You just agree with me. Did you even read what you're responding to?

If by "custody" you meant a brief detention on the street or at the scene of an incident, then yes, I agree. However, your use of the phrase "take you into" custody suggested that you were referring to them taking a person somewhere. That they can't do, absent arresting you. Mine was a point of clarification.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If by "custody" you meant a brief detention on the street or at the scene of an incident, then yes, I agree. However, your use of the phrase "take you into" custody suggested that you were referring to them taking a person somewhere. That they can't do, absent arresting you. Mine was a point of clarification.

They can hold you 72 hours without charging you. I see you avoided that point. Not surprised, it fucks your point all to hell. Have a nice life.

[Coito ergo sum]

If by "custody" you meant a brief detention on the street or at the scene of an incident, then yes, I agree. However, your use of the phrase "take you into" custody suggested that you were referring to them taking a person somewhere. That they can't do, absent arresting you. Mine was a point of clarification.

They can hold you 72 hours without charging you. I see you avoided that point. Not surprised, it fucks your point all to hell. Have a nice life.

Of course it doesn't fuck my point to hell, or anywhere close. You're confusing different concepts. They can't take you into custody for questioning for 72 hours. That isn't permitted. They can arrest you and take you into custody on probable cause, and they have some period, whether 48 or 72 hours, to charge you. That's not the same thing at all, though.

[MrJonno]

Act suspicious, get questioned in the streets give unreasonable answers or refuse to cooperate expect to get arrested. I got stopped by the police at rail station as apparently I was looking nervous pacing up and down with a large sports bag. Police asked to have a look in the bag (yes anti terrorism legalisation does allow this). They asked if I had any weapons in there and I did , 3 latex rubber daggers and a latex broadsword. They asked me what they were for and I could have said none of your business I know my rights and been an arse. If I had done so the police would have been completely in their right to have arrested me even through carrying latex weapons and being an arse isnt a crime its still somewhat suspicious behaviour.

Unlawfully arrest someone at least in the UK is extremely rare, short of a policeman going up to someone in the street and going hey fag/nigger/muslim I hate your type you're nicked they arent likely to ever be prosecuted. What happens after you arrest is when legal rights come into play not before hand. Lesson for this is don't be an arse to the police unless not until you have a lawyer present

[Svartalf]

Why would we care? It's not really smuggling to conceal cash, which isn't contraband.

If you don't declare something that is required to be declared, it's smuggling. The customs form has a slot for "how much cash do you have with you?"

Obviously -- but that doesn't mean that every declaration requirement is reasonable or appropriate. I know the customs form has the slot that says how much cash do you have. That's the question I'm objecting to. It's no answer to merely say "well, they require you to declare it" -- a requirement is not evidence of its own propriety.

They shouldn't be asking people to "declare" stuff. Search -- if they think you have some contraband. Requiring declarations is a short-cut, so they can convict people of failing to declare when required instead of actually having something illegal on them.

How many underpants did you pack in your luggage?

Five, sir.

Ah, we count 10. So, you're smuggling contraband underpants and you've falsified your customs form. Two felonies.

If you deem the law to be screwed, please write your rep and sen and have it altered to reasonable and proper specs. If you don't do that, you passively agree to it. Either way, you're still bound by it till it's changed.

[Svartalf]

That's over two years income for me.

More like 8 of mine...