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Post by Svartalf » Sun May 27, 2012 11:25 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Picasso is ugly crap.
and I should know, his museum is less than 10 mn walk from my home... been dragged there a couple times too often for my taste.
All crap, or just the stuff done after he got famous? (This watershed has been noted more than once with regard to "famous" artists.)
I don't really know... I haven't checked for when he became famous and the dates of all the stuff, though lots of it is later works.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 27, 2012 11:36 am

Svartalf wrote:
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Svartalf wrote:Picasso is ugly crap.
and I should know, his museum is less than 10 mn walk from my home... been dragged there a couple times too often for my taste.
All crap, or just the stuff done after he got famous? (This watershed has been noted more than once with regard to "famous" artists.)
I don't really know... I haven't checked for when he became famous and the dates of all the stuff, though lots of it is later works.
He was did a unicorn for a Life magazine article on him. The "unicorn" was drawn in the air with a flashlight, and the light trail was supposed to show the mythical creature. I've shown that pix to people without telling them what it is and they came up with all kinds of things, but never a unicorn. But when I say "what do you think of this unicorn by Picasso" they all say it's amazing.
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Post by Hermit » Sun May 27, 2012 12:15 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Picasso is ugly crap.
and I should know, his museum is less than 10 mn walk from my home... been dragged there a couple times too often for my taste.
All crap, or just the stuff done after he got famous? (This watershed has been noted more than once with regard to "famous" artists.)
I don't really know... I haven't checked for when he became famous and the dates of all the stuff, though lots of it is later works.
He was did a unicorn for a Life magazine article on him. The "unicorn" was drawn in the air with a flashlight, and the light trail was supposed to show the mythical creature. I've shown that pix to people without telling them what it is and they came up with all kinds of things, but never a unicorn. But when I say "what do you think of this unicorn by Picasso" they all say it's amazing.
Centaur, actually.

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Picasso did quite a few torch traces. Here's another:

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No, seriously, I have much less of a problem appreciating some of his works, even from his cubist period, than those things by Rothko.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Okay, centaur.
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Post by Robert_S » Sun May 27, 2012 7:12 pm

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Looks more like a Centaur/Minotaur hybrid to me.
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Sun May 27, 2012 9:32 pm

hadespussercats wrote:Or Thump, for that matter. Particularly since I'd thought, from your previous comments, that you enjoyed the work in the OP, if not the artist's entire oeuvre.
Well, I like the colors, yes. But as far as liking the piece as a whole, it doesn't move me.
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Post by Audley Strange » Sun May 27, 2012 11:29 pm

Thumpalumpacus wrote: But the condescension of folk who believe that because I don't like it, I'm uncultured -- that would be annoying, if it were to happen to me

I'm not anti-abstract art. I just know what I like and am not afraid to voice that opinion. :)
That's the nub I think. Fuck those guys, I've met a few pompous academiacs (sic) at shows attempting to hold court with their middle-brow windbaggery, but loud mouth know it alls are the bane of every human pass time.

However, I do wonder if even the critics and dealers are getting an unfair hearing here. I'd be interested to know how often those who are bitching about art criticism regularly read art criticism. I go to shows and installations from time to time and I never read any of them, ever.
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Post by Robert_S » Sun May 27, 2012 11:46 pm

I'll go to an opening now and then, but don't care much for extensive reading of art journals and magazines. Quite frankly, I find student work to be what most appeals to me. It has more feeling and sincerity as far as I can tell while (with a few notable exceptions) professors and professional artists work might be more skillfully executed, but it conveys less vitality.

I hear the same thing said about pro vs. college sports from people who are into that sort of thing.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 27, 2012 11:49 pm

Robert, remind me and we'll hit some of the local art museums next time you're down here. :tup:
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Post by Robert_S » Sun May 27, 2012 11:54 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Robert, remind me and we'll hit some of the local art museums next time you're down here. :tup:
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What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun May 27, 2012 11:57 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:Robert, remind me and we'll hit some of the local art museums next time you're down here. :tup:
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Post by hadespussercats » Mon May 28, 2012 4:00 am

Hermit wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Svartalf wrote:Picasso is ugly crap.
and I should know, his museum is less than 10 mn walk from my home... been dragged there a couple times too often for my taste.
All crap, or just the stuff done after he got famous? (This watershed has been noted more than once with regard to "famous" artists.)
I don't really know... I haven't checked for when he became famous and the dates of all the stuff, though lots of it is later works.
He was did a unicorn for a Life magazine article on him. The "unicorn" was drawn in the air with a flashlight, and the light trail was supposed to show the mythical creature. I've shown that pix to people without telling them what it is and they came up with all kinds of things, but never a unicorn. But when I say "what do you think of this unicorn by Picasso" they all say it's amazing.
Centaur, actually.

Image

Picasso did quite a few torch traces. Here's another:

Image


He's a genius!

No, seriously, I have much less of a problem appreciating some of his works, even from his cubist period, than those things by Rothko.
I think these torch traces are pretty cool. But I think the charismatic image of Picasso captured beyond the trace is part of what makes the photos appealing. Especially since then it looks like he's doing some sort of impression/self-portrait.

I think I also like them because they remind me of fun. I used to love drawing with sparklers out in the dark on the Fourth of July when I was little.
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Post by Thumpalumpacus » Mon May 28, 2012 8:25 am

Audley Strange wrote:That's the nub I think. Fuck those guys, I've met a few pompous academiacs (sic) at shows attempting to hold court with their middle-brow windbaggery, but loud mouth know it alls are the bane of every human pass time.

However, I do wonder if even the critics and dealers are getting an unfair hearing here. I'd be interested to know how often those who are bitching about art criticism regularly read art criticism. I go to shows and installations from time to time and I never read any of them, ever.
Yeah, I don't read a hell of a lot of it at all because it does tend to have a climbing-up-their-own-ass quality I find irritating ... but I think it's important to understand currents in art history in order to see the reason some pieces have the impacts they do. So it's nice to know about things like texture and palette and schools and that stuff.

My view is probably pretty annoying because it seems wishy-washy (it does to me, at least) but try as I might, I can't really muster up the fire-and-brimstone energy to really worry too much about it. At the end of the day, it's art, it's subjective, and the opinion of some literati with a brand-new Roget's and a fresh degree is not high on my list of concerns. So when I do read their stuff, it's with a somewhat-jaundiced eye. I know a few polysyllabic words, too, after all.
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Post by mistermack » Mon May 28, 2012 9:35 am

The donkey hoax is quite interesting. I came across this page in English :

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Post by Hermit » Mon May 28, 2012 10:05 am

mistermack wrote:The donkey hoax is quite interesting. I came across this page in English :

Donkey Hoax
Glad you do a lot of reading. ;)
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