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Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:20 pm

I have a high school level picture book.
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It does get into the inventors and such, but is lacking a lot of science detail.

What I really want is the 1800s only. Biology and other science. One book with Darwin Mendel and Volta et al.
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:23 pm

There are plenty of books that are the biographies of one scientist. They also tend to get lost in the personal lives of the individuals. I don' tneed any of that, just the science and the development of the idea.

So fat this is roughly the book I am looking for, but reviewers say it is ruined by his anti Einstein and anti Newton views. He thinks those ideas would have come about "anyway" from other scientists.

https://www.amazon.com/Scientists-Histo ... 091&sr=8-2

Another book is also more focused on scientific thinking and its relation to the time period, rather than technical details of the science.
https://www.amazon.com/Invention-Scienc ... VS0Q73XKRE
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:46 pm

This one is just stuck in the 1700s. I want the 1800s!
https://www.amazon.com/Clockwork-Univer ... EPHQH62D5V
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:47 pm

So far I have picked up an Isaac Asimov book that is the entire history, long out of print.

Asimov's nonfiction books are all pretty good. I used to have his book on the solar system.
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Post by Cunt » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:02 pm

Asimov is pretty great. Tough tracking down everything he's written, though.

In 'The Left Hand Of The Electron', he can take you from being a normal man, to doubting your left and right.

Have you considered combing the Finnish literature of the time? With your knowledge of both languages, there is a chance for something a bit unique...
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:06 pm

Yeah I've given up Finnish non fiction. Bookstores online have gone weird or moved to Swedem. I can only get those books when visiting there.

There is one Finn that is considered a pioneer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Nordenskjöld
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Post by Cunt » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:35 pm

I meant historic Finnish publications, which might have unique or rare perspectives on events.

I hope you have seen the DuPont/Mythbusters show 'The Glass Age'. Probably a non-sequitur, but I think an enjoyable one.
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Post by Tero » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:11 pm

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Cunt's useless comments aside, the science of the 1800s was published in English French and Getman. Darwin was able to make out german if the paper was of enough interest. Mendel's stuff was in an obscure journal.

If you were at the top of the university scene in your country you could participate. Mendeleev and Russians used German.
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by JimC » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:32 am

Tero wrote:

...Cunt's useless comments aside...
Appropriate for so many threads...
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Hermit » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:36 am

Would Nineteenth-Century Science,
an anthology edited by A.S. Weber, be of any use to you? The review doesn't make it clear whether any of the original texts are accompanied by commentary on them.

Amazon sells Groundbreaking Scientific Experiments, Inventions, and Discoveries of the 19th Century by Michael Windelspecht for US$123 and more, but AbeBooks has ten second-hand copies ranging from US$4.13 to 12.59. I don't know if it is any good for your purposes.

"19th century in science" is actually a category in the Wikipedia. Riffling through its links you might find some useful titles among the references.
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Post by Tero » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:09 pm

The anthology looks cool, never read anything by Huxley.

But I only got the Windelspecht books, both 18th and 19th centuries.

I don't know where this is going, other than now my main interest in both science and history of the 1800s. If I were to make a class out of it eventually, I would need at least one scientist with a biography on DVD. If the biography is short enough, it can focus on the man/woman and science in general and the reactions to such things in their age. Only, it cannot be Darwin, as we have had 20 plus courses on Darwin already. Same with Da Vinci of the older generation. The only woman I know in that period was Curie.
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:33 pm

Went through a whole mess of DVD that are sold, and found almost nothing. I'm getting to the point of having to "buy" the movies I show in class as downloadable things. I'll need to buy an external drive to store them in, till the half year later that the classes are actually given. One of my classes I had together for April of last year and because the in class events were canceled, I did not show it till September.

If I got a half dozen videos like this (the narrator sounds like Ringo!) together, I could have that class next fall.



that one I was able to download, but it is now fewer and fewer of the Youtube videos that have downloadable copies.
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:26 pm

(Because of the pandemic, above. Left out a word.)
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Hermit » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:41 pm

Re your latest three posts, Tero:

Another 19th century woman of scientific interest is Ada Lovelace.

Have you considered saying something about the philosophy of science - i.e. epistemology - in your classes? If so, I recommend dipping into What Is This Thing Called Science? by Alan Chalmers.

As for downloading Youtube videos, youtube-dl has never failed me since I started using it a few years ago. It's freeware and versions are available for windows, mac and linux. Don't let the command line interface discourage you. It's really easy to download stuff with, and not just from Youtube.
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Re: Looking for history of science book

Post by Tero » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:28 pm

I have a history of chemistry book, which gives the general outline of things developing in the 1800s. They knew atoms and molecules and had some clue about bonding, but electrons as part of it remained a foggy concept. The son of an east coast lawyer, moved here for some odd reason, was too smart for our university
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_N._Lewis
and moved to Harvard for the last 2 years of college. The US still was a bit weak in much labwork, so he spent the typical time in Germany. Lewis was a really odd case of a missed Nobel, and chemists here never forgave, Pauling mentioning it 60 year later in his Nobel speech. Pauling's work was an extension on Lewis. Lewis was more brilliant than the Germans as a theoretician:
..studied with Walther Nernst at Göttingen and with Wilhelm Ostwald at Leipzig.[23] While working in Nernst's lab, Lewis apparently developed a lifelong enmity with Nernst. In the following years, Lewis started to criticize and denounce his former teacher on many occasions, calling Nernst's work on his heat theorem "a regrettable episode in the history of chemistry".[24] A Swedish friend of Nernst's, Wilhelm Palmær, was a member of the Nobel Chemistry Committee. There is evidence that he used the Nobel nominating and reporting procedures to block a Nobel Prize for Lewis in thermodynamics by nominating Lewis for the prize three times, and then using his position as a committee member to write negative reports.[25]
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