Race Realism

[NineBerry]

The concept of species is quite useless when talking about long periods of time.

Concepts generally are quite useless when talking with Glaxative for any period of time.

He exists beyond time and space.

[Hermit]

The concept of species is quite useless when talking about long periods of time.

Concepts generally are quite useless when talking with Glaxative for any period of time.

He exists beyond time and space.

His own time is always the now, and I suspect his own space is a padded cell with internet access.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The concept of species is mutable ('many possible variants of the species concept'), being a human attempt to codify groups that are interrelated. However, I doubt that Galaxian even bothered to read the book. In fact I doubt he read the article linked in the OP.

The WikiCommons map showing a migratory route for H. sapiens gives the standard nomenclature for three groups of hominins. Apparently Galaxian disputes the validity of this standard nomenclature, and not without reason. There is an ongoing discussion in the anthropological community regarding the relation between various branches of Homo. Galaxian goes further, taking it upon himself to determine this relation, as if he were the final authority on the subject. He's no such thing.

[Sean Hayden]

"World Socialist Web Site"

I stopped right there.

--teasing. It sounds like an interesting book along the lines of The Mismeasure of Man.

[rainbow]

And that stupid diagram mislabeling 3 subspecies as 3 species! How dumb can they get? To confuse subspecies with species!

The diagram doesn't label people as 3 species, or suspecies.

Why do you feel the need to lie about something that we can all see and read?

Please don't assume that we are as stupid as you are.
Are you from the Planet Twat?

So you didn't look at the diagram, eh? "Homo sapiens, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo erectus"

They don't describe them as sub-species of mankind.

Are you being stupid or dishonest?

[pErvinalia]

My vote's on stupid. He's just a useful idiot of the corporate right.

[rainbow]

please don't insult the most marvelous part of female anatomy

To explain, the result of hybridisation of the Twit and the Clot species, therefore the "Twot" subspecies. Sometimes referred to as Twat, but not meaning any part of the human female anatomy.

[Galaxian]

And that stupid diagram mislabeling 3 subspecies as 3 species! How dumb can they get? To confuse subspecies with species!

The diagram doesn't label people as 3 species, or suspecies.
Why do you feel the need to lie about something that we can all see and read?
Please don't assume that we are as stupid as you are.
Are you from the Planet Twat?

So you didn't look at the diagram, eh? "Homo sapiens, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo erectus"

They don't describe them as sub-species of mankind.
Are you being stupid or dishonest?

Homo = Genus. Sapiens = Species. sapiens = subspecies. Repeat after me:
Homo = Genus. Sapiens = Species. neanderthalensis = subspecies. And again:
Homo = Genus. Sapiens = Species. erectus = subspecies.

Anything else is in error & a figment of the fevered imagination of the pompous git who mis-named it.

And all three were cross fertile; therefore, by definition were SUB-species of Homo Sapiens. End of dispute!

[Svartalf]

you're dishonest, erectus was a species more than a million years before sapiens even appeared

[NineBerry]

you're dishonest, erectus was a species more than a million years before sapiens even appeared

Science needs to find out.

First we need to find a time machine. Then travel back a million years, kidnap some Homo Erectus, bring them back to our time and see whether they can interbreed with current people and have fertile offspring.

[NineBerry]

I always think of the poor Australopithecus couples and the shame they must have felt when right after the birth of their child, they saw they had produced a member of a different genus.

[L'Emmerdeur]

There is no conclusive evidence for the assertion that 'all three [sapiens, neanderthal, and erectus] were cross fertile'. There is for sapiens and neanderthal, but as NineBerry implies, scientists have not found and sequenced an erectus genome. That genome would be needed to support the claim that erectus was cross-fertile with the other two.

There is possible evidence that Homo erectus interbred with the Denisova hominins, but that evidence is ambiguous.

If you want to use up one of your monthly allotment of free articles from Ars Technica, there's a good pop-sci piece on this, or there's a press release on ScienceDaily.

From ScienceDaily:

Though Denisovans and Neanderthals eventually died out, they left behind bits of their genetic heritage because they occasionally interbred with modern humans. The research team estimates that between 1.5 and 2.1 percent of the genomes of modern non-Africans can be traced to Neanthertals.

Denisovans also left genetic traces in modern humans, though only in some Oceanic and Asian populations. The genomes of Australian aborigines, New Guineans and some Pacific Islanders are about 6 percent Denisovan genes, according to earlier studies. The new analysis finds that the genomes of Han Chinese and other mainland Asian populations, as well as of native Americans, contain about 0.2 percent Denisovan genes.

The genome comparisons also show that Denisovans interbred with a mysterious fourth group of early humans also living in Eurasia at the time. That group had split from the others more than a million years ago, and may have been the group of human ancestors known as Homo erectus, which fossils show was living in Europe and Asia a million or more years ago.

There is a free PDF of the full paper here.

[laklak]

Just goes to show you, ground apes will fuck anything that holds still long enough.

[pErvinalia]

you're dishonest, erectus was a species more than a million years before sapiens even appeared

Science needs to find out.

First we need to find a time machine. Then travel back a million years, kidnap some Homo Erectus, bring them back to our time and see whether they can interbreed with current people and have fertile offspring.

I know Laklak

[Galaxian]

you're dishonest, erectus was a species more than a million years before sapiens even appeared

Instead of slandering Galaxian, you should spend your time more constructively, with wide ranging research, seeing the world as it really is, and using rationality to assess the compendium of knowledge, even if provisionally. It does you no good to bear subliminal racism towards facts about the human family tree. Desist! Racism of any sort affects your capacity to impartially look at the truth.

By some estimates, Homo Erectus (correctly called Homo Sapiens erectus) died out only 70,000 to 10,000 years ago in its purer form. And even before that, it interbred quite profusely with other human varieties.

Galaxian doesn't need the verification of biased 'authorities' to accept the facts: In my own town I see morphological evidence of Sapiens-Erectus hybrids with my own eyes from time to time:
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/spence ... tca007.jpg

The Kow Swamp skeleton shows exactly the same features, as does a Homo erectus skull:
http://www.peterbrown-palaeoanthropolog ... ateral.jpg

https://media.australianmuseum.net.au/m ... 24bc4b.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ry.svg.png

Modern Australian Aborigines range between two type: Robust (as above) and Gracile, more like Caucasians.
Do you have a problem with someone being a Robust Aborigine, with probably a significant percentage of Homo Sapiens erectus extraction? Galaxian doesn't. I myself have a significant Neanderthal component. My daughter in law is significantly Denisovan. I interact with Erectus hybrids without any problems, and I don't look at them in a funny way with bigoted thoughts racing through my Neanderthal mind.

So, get over it! How the fuck will you cope with real aliens from other planets, if you have problems with human subspecies?