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Re: Windows Market Share

Post by Feck » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:06 am

linux users are the sort of people who thick maths is fun and spreadsheets are cool The sort of people who staunchly maintain that GIMP is much better than Photoshop .
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Post by JimC » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:20 am

Feck wrote:linux users are the sort of people who thick maths is fun and spreadsheets are cool The sort of people who staunchly maintain that GIMP is much better than Photoshop .
Well, I think maths is fun and spreadsheets are cool, but I wouldn't know linux if it bit me on the bum... :tea:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:24 am

Well Macs are a close cousin to Linux, so you better check ya bum... :)
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Post by JimC » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:25 am

My Mac just gently caresses me, it doesn't bite... :tea:
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:53 am

What do most people want to do on the computer? Play solitaire, send emails, browse free porn, household accounts, occasional letters, getting rid of red eye in old family photos,, and Amazon etc. Linux does that. No commandline skills required. Want to manage your applications? Use any of a number of application managers. Linux not working with your bleeding edge laptop? Wait two months and nerds will have sorted that and updated the latest versions. Want a configurable workspace to suit your needs? Linux has a minimum of four of them, quadrupling the size of your desktop. Want plain no-frills windows with the minimum of fuss or rich colours, animated menus, and everything in Comic Sans Bold? No problem. Want to spoof your MAC address or steal you neighbours WiFi. Linux makes it easy. Price $0.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:46 am

People want to print from their computer, which is one of the points where Linux has had issues in the past. Browse websites with Flash? Welcome to a world of pain on Linux. Want to transfer word documents between MS Word and whatever random version of Word-clone you have on Linux? Be prepared for your formatting to get busted. The problem with Linux isn't what it does well, it's the regular stuff it often can't do without a computer science degree and 170 litres of Coca-Cola (if at all)..
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:46 pm

I'll give you the printer hassles, having been down that rabbit hole myself. Printers talk to computers in a standard open format. The problem is with the intermediate software manufacturers use to facilitate that communication - the drivers. Samsung and HP produce Linux friendly printers/scanners, but there's not an extensive range. Same with things like wireless and bluetooth peripherals. You can always spot a Linux user at the computer store, they're the ones on their phones checking product numbers on the Linux forums. :) But once devices with no Linux support have been on the market for a few months some nerd has usually provided a solution, many of which make it into subsequent OS releases and updates. The open source development cycle allows regular nerds to make proposals and offer solutions, and other higher order nerds are more than happy to review their code and to tell them how shit it is. In the end the good stuff floats to the top. A safe bet with Linux is to install it on a machine that's at least a year old.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:49 pm

Oh yeah, I forgot about wireless and ndis wrappers. I'm having flashbacks. STOP TRIGGERING ME!
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:02 pm

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Post by BarnettNewman » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:09 pm

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Trouble is you pay the devil, not the other way around!
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Post by Sean Hayden » Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:57 pm

pErvinalia wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot about wireless and ndis wrappers. I'm having flashbacks. STOP TRIGGERING ME!
It's been automatic for all my installs for years now. I remember the pain though. But getting back to regular users, many, if not most(?), don't install their OS anyway. The Internet is full of frustrated users who have tried and failed multiple times. Have you seen a hung Windows installer? How long should you wait? What icon do you click to see what went wrong? :hehe:

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Post by laklak » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:00 pm

If you can't fix it with a small hammer, get a big hammer.
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Re: Windows Market Share

Post by Pappa » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:02 pm

NineBerry wrote:But it is true.

Linux sucks for the end user. It is just not as well polished as Windows. I have tried multiple times to use some Linux desktop and always stumbled over something that just didn't work. It also doesn't look as polished as Windows. And then there are so many different variants. Try to find an answer on how to do some specific task. For Windows, this changes maybe every 5 years. For Linux, because of the many different distributions and Shells and so on, you will find a thousand different answers.

For a developer of commercial software, it is even much more of a nightmare. Try to sell a pre-compiled software that runs on Linux. No problem on Windows. Compile once and it runs on all modern Windows variants. Compile for Linux? Not possible. So, nearly all computers that need to run commercial software are lost for Linux. When people work with Windows at work in the office, why should they think about using something different at home?
I agree, you've got to be dedicated to use Linux, and prepared to fix your own problems when they arise. I love using Linux, but it's a little bit risky for work. You never know when you're going to encounter some issue that takes you 2 days to sort out.

I use a mac at home and in work because it gives me all the advantages of Linux without the occasional headaches. In my experience, unless you're developing in the Microsoft stack, Windows is pure hell to develop on.

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Post by NineBerry » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:15 pm

Well, that's the point, using the Microsoft stack is paradise. :-)

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:40 pm

People always say the same thing about their religion, that it will take them to Paradise, but that's just what they want you, and themselves, to believe.
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