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Re: The rise of the machine

Post by JimC » Wed May 31, 2023 8:38 pm

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Post by pErvinalia » Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 am

I think we are at a critical point in time, and we need to get it right. While there's a non-zero chance that we could get sentient Terminator-like robots, I think the real threat is misinformation and manipulation of humans with said misinformation. Imagine a Donald Trump - like leader conspiring with autocracies like Russia. Video/audio emerges implicating him in treason. But we no longer have the ability to distinguish between real and fake video, as deep fakes have got so good. Even worse, imagine a networked AI faking evidence of a nuclear launch from China. How would a human operator in the US respond to this? Would they be tricked into launching a counterstrike?
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Post by JimC » Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:48 am

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...we need to get it right...
The critical point is "who is the we"? Is it the fractured political systems of the world. or is it the profit-hungry corporations developing the tech?
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Governments obviously. And the tech companies are calling for it.
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Will China and Russia get on board with the US? Probably not, and then we're fucked.
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Post by JimC » Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:25 am

My point was that there are so many agencies, both governmental and private that are either involved with AI, are potential regulators of AI or want to use AI for their own purposes that it is hard to conceive of anything resembling an effective, unified response...
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Yeah I agree. We're fucked. :crumple:
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Re: The rise of the machine

Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:29 pm

pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 am
I think we are at a critical point in time, and we need to get it right. While there's a non-zero chance that we could get sentient Terminator-like robots, I think the real threat is misinformation and manipulation of humans with said misinformation. Imagine a Donald Trump - like leader conspiring with autocracies like Russia. Video/audio emerges implicating him in treason. But we no longer have the ability to distinguish between real and fake video, as deep fakes have got so good. Even worse, imagine a networked AI faking evidence of a nuclear launch from China. How would a human operator in the US respond to this? Would they be tricked into launching a counterstrike?
While the capacity of machine learning to run these things up is pretty staggering, the issue isn't the machine learning artefacts themselves, but the people using them. We already have a shitton of fake news, plainly biased news, political operators, commenters, and media that literally buy into an alternate version reality (alt-facts), state-sponsored and corporate troll farms, hacking of infrastructure and intellectual property and profit-driven blackops, a plethora of fraud (some of it institutionalised and protected by law), the gaming of financial systems, commercial sectors, and entire economies. AI just makes all this quicker and a bit cheaper. The problem isn't the AI but the nefarious impulses and turpitudinous desires of certain classes of human agent.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:33 pm

I reckon the only way to get the billionaire classes to self-impose limits on the power of AI is to somehow convince them that AI is 'woke'.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:38 am

Brian Peacock wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:29 pm
pErvinalia wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:17 am
I think we are at a critical point in time, and we need to get it right. While there's a non-zero chance that we could get sentient Terminator-like robots, I think the real threat is misinformation and manipulation of humans with said misinformation. Imagine a Donald Trump - like leader conspiring with autocracies like Russia. Video/audio emerges implicating him in treason. But we no longer have the ability to distinguish between real and fake video, as deep fakes have got so good. Even worse, imagine a networked AI faking evidence of a nuclear launch from China. How would a human operator in the US respond to this? Would they be tricked into launching a counterstrike?
While the capacity of machine learning to run these things up is pretty staggering, the issue isn't the machine learning artefacts themselves, but the people using them. We already have a shitton of fake news, plainly biased news, political operators, commenters, and media that literally buy into an alternate version reality (alt-facts), state-sponsored and corporate troll farms, hacking of infrastructure and intellectual property and profit-driven blackops, a plethora of fraud (some of it institutionalised and protected by law), the gaming of financial systems, commercial sectors, and entire economies. AI just makes all this quicker and a bit cheaper. The problem isn't the AI but the nefarious impulses and turpitudinous desires of certain classes of human agent.
You're not thinking this right. The problem is that soon AI won't need human agents to direct them. The worry is that AI will operate on its own, with its own desires and goals that we are not entirely sure of.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jun 02, 2023 2:41 am

US airforce simulated AI drone operation. (this is from a random twitter post, so authenticity not guaranteed).

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Found a link. Still not convinced of authenticity yet. https://www.aerosociety.com/news/highli ... es-summit/
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