The rise of the machine

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Re: The rise of the machine

Post by Rum » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:23 pm

Śiva wrote:There's a YouTube channel called Two Minute Papers that I've been subscribed to for some time. They regularly publish videos showcasing the neat stuff AI is learning to do.

If that kind of thing interests you check them out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbfYPy ... nutePapers
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Post by mistermack » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:45 pm

When will it become morally wrong to harm or scrap an intelligent machine?
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Post by Rum » Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:54 pm

I find the ambition to imitate human beings - to convince people that they are interacting with an autonomous and self conscious being somewhat alarming. We seem to be manipulated quite easily into thinking machines are in some way 'alive' by sticking a face on it and giving it a voice. The Japanese seem particularly keen on this. These machines are obviously currently not self aware or conscious - just pretty complicated and cleverly designed.

So the current generation of 'pretend' humans can clearly be scrapped as and when required...even though some people might have something of an emotional response to that.

When their self awareness or consciousness becomes at best ambiguous as they become more complex, then it becomes problematic.
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Post by mistermack » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:06 pm

The thing is though, you don't need to get to the human stage.

It's fairly immoral to kill a chimp on a whim, or cause it to suffer.
Or lower animals, down to an ant. It's frowned on to torture an ant.

Machines will soon be past the ant stage, and well into the range of animals that we shouldn't abuse.
So we will very soon be having to decide about the welfare of machines.

Animals have an instinct to survive, and a nervous system I suppose. Nobody bothers about plants, so it will depend on what the pre-programming is of the machines.

If we program them to welcome being dismantled, will that be ok?
I think it probably will.
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Post by Rum » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:21 pm

I should have made your first point too. I agree, I eat virtually no meat products because of that point.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:40 pm

I think this can be dealt with by treating machines exactly like animals - that is; they only have rights to a certain extent, and even those rights can be put aside if/when we consider them a useful resource.
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Rum wrote:I find the ambition to imitate human beings - to convince people that they are interacting with an autonomous and self conscious being somewhat alarming. We seem to be manipulated quite easily into thinking machines are in some way 'alive' by sticking a face on it and giving it a voice.
For the purpose of public demonstrations of what computers can do, features like blinking lights and tooting sounds have been added right at the start in the late 40sand early 50s. Those features had no computer related functions whatsoever. Their only purpose was to give the masses the impression that computers actually did something. Apparently, eating and spitting out pieces of cardboard with holes in them meant nothing.
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Post by Rum » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:52 pm

I actually had a dream last night that an old work mate of mine turned out to be an android. Odd, but it got me thinking. If things don't take a radical turn in some other direction due to some sort of collapse, AI it seems to me will in due course become the dominant force on the planet. Just think of how fast flight developed from bi-planes to super-sonic jets as some sort of parallel.

Once they take over most of our jobs and the work that is needed to maintain the systems we have in place we do in effect become redundant. Perhaps we will choose to merge in some way with self aware, hugely complex machines and systems we can only vaguely guess at. There would I assume be an evolutionary process - or perhaps 'transitional' is a better word.

In two hundred years perhaps the world will consist of one small box in which everything happens, electronically/virtually/for real. The rest of the world will return to the wild, a place many entities living inside the box can visit if they choose to. But there will be much more going on inside it than outside it. Much much more.

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Prepare for life as pets of vast, cold intellects that need us for light relief...
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Post by Rum » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:16 pm

JimC wrote:Prepare for life as pets of vast, cold intellects that need us for light relief...
Not necessarily. Let's assume that the machines see human self awareness and consciousness as more than calculations, number crunching and such and that the merging of humanity and machines is mutually beneficial in some way. Human/hybrid machines are already with us what with pacemakers, hearing aids and artificial body parts of various kinds. Smart programming and could see real hybrids - perhaps machine/human entities with hugely extended lives. At some point we can't imagine any more than a cave man could understand an automobile, we decide to throw in our lot with the machine/electronic universe and become something else completely.

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Post by Jason » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:42 pm

I'm with Elon Musk. We must merge with the AI - which means developing Brain Computer Interfaces as soon as possible. I can't see what role non-integrated humans could possibly have in society in the future.

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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:29 am

Artificial intelligence tool 'as good as experts' at detecting eye problems
A new machine-learning system is as good as the best human experts at detecting eye problems and referring patients for treatment, say scientists.

The groundbreaking artificial intelligence system, developed by the AI-outfit DeepMind with Moorfields eye hospital NHS foundation trust and University College London, was capable of correctly referring patients with more than 50 different eye diseases for further treatment with 94% accuracy, matching or beating world-leading eye specialists.

“The results of this pioneering research with DeepMind are very exciting and demonstrate the potential sight-saving impact AI could have for patients,” said Prof Sir Peng Tee Khaw, the director of the NIHR Biomedical Research Centre at Moorfields eye hospital and the UCL Institute of Ophthalmology.

The two-stage AI system takes a more human-like and intelligible approach to analysing the highly complex optical coherence tomography (OCT) scans of patient retinas. These are commonly used to triage patients with sight problems into four clinical categories: urgent, semi-urgent, routine and observation only.

Five separate machine-learning systems, trained using 877 clinical OCT scans, first create maps of the OCT scans. The five maps are then analysed by a second series of five machine-learning systems, trained on maps created from 14,884 OCT scans from 7,621 patients, which interpret the maps and each give a referral decision....

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