Global Warming Causes Huge Increase in Arctic Ice

[mistermack]

Arctic ice has been steadily increasing in extent over recent years, but the "scientists" were always quick to claim that it was the volume of ice which was important.

And hey presto, it turns out that now the volume is dramatically increasing too. 2013 ice volume up there was 50% greater than the low point of 2012. And 2014 is set to show a substantial increase on that figure.

"This is to be expected as the planet heats up" said an "expert". (I expect).
"This is a sure sign of global warming" said another "climate scientist" (almost certainly)
"We're all going to fry" Said the IPCC. (it will, just wait and see).
"This could result in too many polar bears" Said a seal conservationist. (any time now).

Sources : BBC : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25383373
Polar Science centre Washington :



This means that the ice volume has bounced back up to a level higher than it was six years ago.
Isn't it strange that it can do that, at a time that CO2 is at record levels, and nearly twenty years worth of global warming has "gone into the oceans" ?
Obviously, nobody told the ARCTIC ocean.

And surprise surprise, the antarctic sea ice is still at all-time record levels.
What more evidence do the doubters and deniers need? All this extra ice must be due to global warming. Everything else is.

[pErvinalia]

The world is heating up. All your bollocks won't change that fact.

[cronus]

Sun drives the climate. Big star out your window been on a low for a while and we'd have a mini-ice age gearing up if not for manmade CO2 saving the day. Obviously not the bestest way to control climate in the longer term with no down knob for CO2....in the longer term a space umbrella will allow the control required for climate stabilisation in the face of the coming unstoppable socio-economic new mega-industrial age....as we move towards Trantor for real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trantor

[mistermack]

The world is heating up. All your bollocks facts won't change that fact.

[PsychoSerenity]

Given that 2012 was a record low it's not at surprising that the following years are slightly higher, but even the high points of this year are lower than the then record lows of 2006. The trend is very much down. Learn to read a graph.

[pErvinalia]

He's repeatedly shown he can't read graphs. It's a waste of effort.

[mistermack]

Learn to read a graph.

I'm fine with graphs. And unlike you, I can read that one. The trend WAS down. Now it's up.

And if we are talking about GLOBAL warming, then you need a graph of GLOBAL sea ice. Not just picking the one that has fallen, and ignoring the big one that has risen.

As sea ice in the antarctic is at an all time record, the global graph of sea ice will be a lot different to the one that you selected.

Ain't it funny, where there is virtually no soot particles, sea ice is at record levels. In the North, with lots of soot on the wind, sea ice has melted.

[pErvinalia]

It's funny how the world is heating up despite your bollocks.

[Hermit]

I'm fine with graphs. And unlike you, I can read that one. The trend WAS down. Now it's up.

Up in the past six years. It's been a sawtooth pattern like that for yonks, but the longer term trend is down, and you can plainly see that. Yes, you can read graphs, I'm sure. You just ignore the aspects that don't suit your prejudice.

And if we are talking about GLOBAL warming, then you need a graph of GLOBAL sea ice.

Says the man who used a graph of the volume of Arctic sea ice only to poo poo the idea of global warming in the opening post. Furthermore, a graph spanning just seven years is supposed to destroy the claim for global warming while a graph about the very same area, but spanning 35 years fails to support that claim?

Your style of arguing against global warming is getting more ridiculous with every post.

[mistermack]

The point you are missing is that Arctic sea ice has grown by well over fifty percent volume, in the last couple of years. Exactly how, in a world that is constantly warming, year on year, in oceans that are supposedly swallowing up the missing heat that nobody can find, does that happen?

I haven't disputed any graph that showed a loss of arctic sea-ice. But we've been fed a steady diet for years, that the melting sea ice in the Arctic is a sure sign of global warming.
How then, can a huge increase in arctic sea ice be anything other than global cooling?
Talk about double standards.

This is the price you pay for years of bullshitting.

Although knowing climate scientists, I fully expect them to come out before long with a model that shows increasing sea ice as a sure sign of global warming. As I said in the OP.

[Seth]

The world is heating up. All your bollocks won't change that fact.

Statement of religious faith.

[Hermit]

The point you are missing is that Arctic sea ice has grown by well over fifty percent volume, in the last couple of years. Exactly how, in a world that is constantly warming...

Oh! A growth of 50% in just two years must trump a reduction of 150% in 30 using the same base point.

Your argument is akin to attempting to prove on the 25th of December 1944 that, based on what was happening in the Ardennes during the previous nine days, claims that the Germans were losing the war was pure bullshit.

And who has ever claimed that the world is constantly warming? Sawtoothing has always been acknowledged. The fact is that the overall trend indicates global warming. How much of that is anthropogenic I don't know, but that's another issue.

[Seth]

Global Warmists hoist on their own petard.

The New Consensus: 100 Percent Of Scientists Agree That Global Warming ‘Stopped’ Or ‘Slowed Down’
1:36 PM 11/19/2014



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The Obama administration and environmental groups have long claimed 97 percent of scientists agree that human activity is causing the Earth to warm, but there’s a new consensus they may be less willing to acknowledge.

Using the same methodology as the vaunted “97 percent” paper by researcher John Cook, two climate scientists have made a bold discovery: virtually all climate scientists agree that global warming has “stopped” or “slowed down” in recent years.

“We didn’t find a single paper on the topic that argued the rate of global warming has not slowed (or even stopped) in recent years,” wrote scientists Patrick Michaels and Chip Knappenberger with the libertarian Cato Institute.

“This is in direct opposition to the IPCC’s contention that global warming is accelerating, and supports arguments that the amount of warming that will occur over the remainder of the 21st century as a result of human fossil fuel usage will be at the low end of the IPCC projections, or even lower,” the two scientists added. “Low-end warming yields low-end impacts.”

Last year, President Obama claimed that “ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: [climate] change is real, man-made and dangerous.” His claim was based on a paper by Australian researcher John Cook, who looked at scientific papers as the basis for his finding that 97 percent agreed that humans caused global warming.

“Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on [anthropogenic global warming] is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research,” Cook wrote in his study that was published last year.

Cook’s paper, however, has been heavily criticized for “cooking” the numbers on what scientist actually think about global warming. Others, however, say Cook’s paper misses a key scientific question: what is the current state of global warming?

“So while 97% of scientists may agree that global warming is caused by humans, virtually 100% agree that global warming has stopped or slowed considerably during the 21st Century,” wrote Michaels and Knappenberger.

Michaels and Knappenberger searched for papers published between 2009 and 2014 in the Web of Science database, searching for the terms “pause,” “hiatus” or “slowdown” along with the terms “global” and “temperature.” They then read the abstracts, or the whole paper if necessary, to determine what position the authors took on the pause in warming.

Of the 100 papers identified by Michaels and Knappenberger, 65 had nothing to do with recent global temperature trends — which is typical of papers written before 2010. The remaining 35 papers used by the Cato scientists all acknowledged in someway a “hiatus, pause, or slowdown in global warming was occurring.”

“We surely may have missed a few papers that were not cataloged in the database we used, or that weren’t captured by our search terms, but the evidence is overwhelming — virtually all (if not actually all) scientific papers that mention a hiatus or pause agree that it exists,” the Cato scientists noted.

Scientists have been struggling to explain why there has been no significant warming trend during the 21st century. Satellite data shows there has been no warming for the 18 years and surface temperature data points to a lack of warming for the last 15 years or so.

Dozens of explanations have been put forward in an attempt to reconcile why most climate models were unable to predict such a prolonged period with no warming despite rapidly rising levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

A study from earlier this year found that the lack of warming is due to “heat transported to deeper layers in the Atlantic and the southern oceans, initiated by a recurrent salinity anomaly in the subpolar North Atlantic.”

This oceanic cooling cycle “associated with the latter deeper heat-sequestration mechanism historically lasted 20 to 35 years,” according to Professor Ka-Kit Tung from the University of Washington.

[pErvinalia]

The world is heating up. All your bollocks won't change that fact.

Statement of religious faith.

Umm, it's science, troll.

[Tero]

Due to the relatively rapid ice growth during October, Arctic sea ice extent for October 2014 was the 6th lowest in the satellite record.

Google if you wish.