Long-term global warming trend sustained in 2013

[mistermack]

Nothing changed in 2013.

Did the Earth continue to warm ? No.

Did it stay warm? Yes. 2013 was the seventh warmest.

How much warmer is the Earth since 1950? 0.6 degrees !!! Shock horror.

That's it. 0.6 degrees. In sixty odd years. And it stopped going up nearly SEVENTEEN years ago.

That's seventeen years of global warming, with no global warming. WHAT THE FUCK?????

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1029

[Tero]

It's all relative. Are you 1000 years old? If not you have no frame of reference.

[mistermack]

It's all relative. Are you 1000 years old? If not you have no frame of reference.

Nobody is 1000 years old.

So nobody has a frame of reference.

[cronus]

It's been stabilised by Aliens. Wait till you see the bill before saying that's cosmic altruism.

[subversive science]

You seem to have glossed over this rather important detail:

With the exception of 1998, the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record have all occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the warmest years on record.

[macdoc]

MM

WHAT THE FUCK?????

WTF ??? ...it's very simple, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

a) global atmospheric temps represent only low single digits % of warming and are transient.....the rest is in the ocean


b) there was no pause in the rising ocean temps....in fact it accelerated


c) 10 of the 12 hottest years......

d) 0.6 C up is the global average - that says nothing about regional....the tropics barely move in temp - they just expand in extent and have
The far north tho gets up to 8 times the warming above the global ....so Canada is up 3.6 degrees C in the winter over the last 50 years and places n Siberia even more..

I don't know who you think you are fooling continuing with the bullshit posts.....but it's pretty pathetic when those with the most at stake like Exxon admits the problem and says it's serious

You on the other hand....... continue to deny the obvious.
It's getting warmer
We're responsible

I do hope you are not being so foolish as to claim the "long term warming trend" is orbital driven...
You'd be wrong....the Holocee Optimum was 8,000 years ago - the orbital trend has been to cooler ever since.

[cronus]

You can do anything with graphs, no wonder there is a debate? Want to see all these graphs scaled back by a factor ten on each axis or I'm gonna cry 'dark arts at work' over and over and over until I'm sick. Fifty years is nothing in climate terms, larger natural variations happen on the scale of centuries or more.

[pErvinalia]

Well remember we are only dealing with about 100 years or less of serious climate altering activity. So you won't see the effects in timescales much wider than that.

[cronus]

Well remember we are only dealing with about 100 years or less of serious climate altering activity. So you won't see the effects in timescales much wider than that.

Given humans have the capacity to geo-engineer on enormous scales these days....not so much as a scientific matter, more a complicated plumbing job. Nothing needs doing, carrying on building up capacity for big change above and below the atmosphere - a new generation of souped up computer and their models for climate will tell you what to do. In the mean time hunt down the eco-fascists and other greenie astrologer types, they are a menace to progress on this one way trip.

[pErvinalia]

As is often the case, I have no idea what you are talking about.

The reality is that we have to rely on what the best science is telling us. There is a chance it will be wrong in quantity, but almost no chance it will be wrong in quality. A rational risk-management approach, not to mention a rational long-term economic plan, tells us that we should adapt and evolve our systems on the premise that this is going to happen. Anything else is simply irrational idiocy or religious type thinking.

[cronus]

As is often the case, I have no idea what you are talking about.

The reality is that we have to rely on what the best science is telling us. There is a chance it will be wrong in quantity, but almost no chance it will be wrong in quality. A rational risk-management approach, not to mention a rational long-term economic plan, tells us that we should adapt and evolve our systems on the premise that this is going to happen. Anything else is simply irrational idiocy or religious type thinking.

The weather, climate? It's the atmosphere of a planet by any other name. The science today says it's going way out of kilter, you want to know how bad it can get? You think hiding the body under some green-wash 'rationality' and playing neo-liberal good will songs to the survivors will reverse the unleashed giant? You want to know what happens when a planets atmosphere goes number-bang in a bad way? Mars. The atmosphere clustered around one pole and the seas clustered around the other. Dead planet syndrome. This planet is suffering from dead planet syndrome, can guarantee that.

PS Plumbing...not urgent yet, it will be....

[pErvinalia]

You are talking about catastrophic feedback loops. I don't doubt for a second that sort of thing could happen. It would be interesting to survey what number of climate scientists think a nightmare scenario might develop. It would also be interesting to do a political analysis of those views to see whether they are being tempered by the anti-global warming rhetorical culture at the moment.

[cronus]

I recall reading one article in the debate that cut to the chase....seen as alarmist. Obviously if you catapult millions of years worth of spare energy/chemical crap into a fairly complex organised system it ain't gonna play nice or go back the way it was by skimming off the froth. Keep looking at the larger time frames....all I ask. It's too late to reverse, not too late to slow down what has already happened elsewhere in the solar system. Buying time to build a ark or learn to live here under giant domes....

[mistermack]

You seem to have glossed over this rather important detail:

With the exception of 1998, the 10 warmest years in the 134-year record have all occurred since 2000, with 2010 and 2005 ranking as the warmest years on record.

No I didn't. I said it stayed warm. That covers those facts perfectly.
And to be honest, that is a load of misleading crap. If you put a pan on a ring and warm it, and then maintain the temperature, it's perfectly OBVIOUS that the last few minutes of maintaining the temperature will be the warmest. That's stating the bleedin obvious.

The climate has warmed 0.6 degrees since 1950. Therefore the last ten years WILL be the warmest. (unless it starts to cool again ).

Warmer yes, but only about half a degree. It's fuck-all.

It warmed very slightly for about 47 years. Then it stopped completely for 17.

[macdoc]

Now I wonder why Exxon would be touting reduced carbon if AGW were not real...... :scratch:



or are they in the conspiracy as well