Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post Reply
User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Rum » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:27 am

I tend to keep up with so called 'popular science'. I even buy New Scientist now and gain and bend my brain trying to understand some of the articles. I was a bit surprised therefore to stumble on 'Saturn's hexagons' earlier this morning browsing one of the video clip sites I subscribe to (Maniac World at http://www.maniacworld.com/, which I recommend for a daily giggle.

Anyway it seems that Saturn has a hexagonal 'vortex' at its north pole. I thought I was looking at a hoax story, but it seems it is true. Anyone seen this?


User avatar
Randydeluxe
Filled With Aloha
Posts: 642
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:01 am
About me: Ua mau ke ea o ka 'aina i ka pono.
Location: SoCal. Previously Honolulu, HI. Previously Vancouver, BC. Sometimes Austin, TX.
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Randydeluxe » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:04 am

It was a quite widely reported-on ~22 years ago. I think it made a cover of National Geographic or somesuch.

One solution:



From the same group:


User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:34 am

A persisting hexagonal wave pattern around the north polar vortex in the atmosphere at about 78°N was first noted in the Voyager images.[33][34] Unlike the north pole, HST imaging of the south polar region indicates the presence of a jet stream, but no strong polar vortex nor any hexagonal standing wave.[35] However, NASA reported in November 2006 that the Cassini spacecraft observed a 'hurricane-like' storm locked to the south pole that had a clearly defined eyewall.[36] This observation is particularly notable because eyewall clouds had not previously been seen on any planet other than Earth (including a failure to observe an eyewall in the Great Red Spot of Jupiter by the Galileo spacecraft).[37]

The straight sides of the northern polar hexagon are each about 13 800 km long. The entire structure rotates with a period of 10h 39 m 24s, the same period as that of the planet's radio emissions, which is assumed to be equal to the period of rotation of Saturn's interior. The hexagonal feature does not shift in longitude like the other clouds in the visible atmosphere.

The pattern's origin is a matter of much speculation. Most astronomers seem to think it was caused by some standing-wave pattern in the atmosphere; but the hexagon might be a novel aurora. Polygonal shapes have been replicated in spinning buckets of fluid in a laboratory.[38]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn#Nor ... ud_pattern
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
FBM
Ratz' first Gritizen.
Posts: 45327
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:43 pm
About me: Skeptic. "Because it does not contend
It is therefore beyond reproach"
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by FBM » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:59 am

There's only one way to know for sure, but it's going to take a great big one of these:
mfg351%20series.jpg
mfg351%20series.jpg (51.59 KiB) Viewed 518 times
"A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken

"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."

"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion."

Meekychuppet
Seriously, what happened?
Posts: 4193
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:19 pm
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Meekychuppet » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:59 am

Cassini found this years ago. It is pretty weird, but only because we tend to think that the planets will be uniform in the way they are. We accept the Great Red Spot on Jupiter, but that doesn't make it any less weird, it's just familiar. This storm on Saturn has fallen off the radar, mainly because the rings and the moonlets associated with it are far more interesting than anyone predicted. I personally think the hexagon is powered in some way by rising convection currents from within Saturn. Circular would not be unusual, this may well be several current converging at the pole to come up with this geometric arrangement. It would not surprise me to find something like this on Neptune too, given the weather there. If there's one thing we're learning it's that the solar system is still more dynamic than we ever imagined - witness the discovery of seasons on Pluto. There will be plenty more surprises like this yet.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
Things Rum has diagnosed me with to date: "personality disorder", autism, Aspergers.
eRvin wrote:People can see what a fucking freak you are. Have you not noticed all the disparaging comments you get?
rum wrote:What a cunt you are. Truly.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:00 am

Voyager pix gave us the first images, btw.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

Meekychuppet
Seriously, what happened?
Posts: 4193
Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:19 pm
Contact:

Re: Saturn's hexagon..how have I missed this?

Post by Meekychuppet » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:02 am

Gawdzilla wrote:Voyager pix gave us the first images, btw.
Not the hexagon it didn't. Voyager just caught Saturn and the major moons.

Edit: it was Voyager after all. I had no idea, which is pretty bad for an astronomer.

I'm going to do some reading...
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
Things Rum has diagnosed me with to date: "personality disorder", autism, Aspergers.
eRvin wrote:People can see what a fucking freak you are. Have you not noticed all the disparaging comments you get?
rum wrote:What a cunt you are. Truly.

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Majestic-12 [Bot] and 7 guests