Mental illness
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A lot to digest, thanks.
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Re: Mental illness
This post isn't intended as evidence, a single perspective can never really be that. What I hope it might achieve is a moment of thought to what the costs can be without even the very basic pharmocological we have at our disposal. I would never be caught arguing that science has in any way 'got there' in regard to the human mind, or how that mind, like any other organ can become ill. But, I think there is a need for caution in forming and sharing opinions in a black and white sense, one of total rejection of psychiatric research versus total acceptance.
I have a family member who gets on with life really well on a relatively high dose of AD's. He has a part in the real world that's valued, he has a future, he smiles, he does things he wants to do, does brilliantly at work and is very well liked. Off AD's it's been a different story to date, a slow but steady and relentless loss of most of the above. Through it all he'll be quite cheery most of the time, have plans how he'll get himself back on track, why he doesn't need any help, but the reality watched is someone who stops washing, stops going out, stops functioning at work, and eventually stops eating to the point he gets cramps and last time around was put on laxatives to keep his bowels working. His plans to sort himself out get more odd, cost more financially and emotionally and fail repeatedly until the cheeriness dwindles and he wishes he was dead (although never said he'd take his life or tried). The ideas to sort himself out are often horrible, shaming himself, at one point hitting a wall, buying things to make tomorrow better but they don't, being suspicious those who love him are stopping him because shit they are, living homeless for a while, and sleeping, more and more sleeping - oh, and booze which fuels more 'good' ideas. On ADs he's pretty much fine so eventually a new doctor, or even an old one at his bequest will take him off again - and it will happen again, perhaps not certainly but it feels certain. Sometimes it happens slowly and then I'll be the first to hope and even believe it isn't coming but it does - fucking relentlessly. Thankfully, as years have gone by the process gets stopped alot sooner but to date nothing except pills has worked in doing so.
As someone who cares about reasoning it matters to me a great deal whether ADs are only placebos, I don't want what I've seen to change all the ongoing research and the much needed critiques but as a person I couldn't give a shit whether it's only placebo effect, the effect, wherever it comes from makes such a profound difference. I don't think that to date research has enough of a clear consensus to argue whether there exists a real therapeutic effect or not beyond what people believe will happen.
Where my predilection for science meets my personal perspective is that this is a baby science, it's so recent that we've had even the most basic tools to even see the living brain, it's encased in bone and utterly precious - it will take time and mistakes to learn. If the process of that learning is argued against on the basis of the presence of error we cannot reach a greater understanding - all we'll be left with is to rant and live with it, for me personally that would be a desperately sad outcome.
I have a family member who gets on with life really well on a relatively high dose of AD's. He has a part in the real world that's valued, he has a future, he smiles, he does things he wants to do, does brilliantly at work and is very well liked. Off AD's it's been a different story to date, a slow but steady and relentless loss of most of the above. Through it all he'll be quite cheery most of the time, have plans how he'll get himself back on track, why he doesn't need any help, but the reality watched is someone who stops washing, stops going out, stops functioning at work, and eventually stops eating to the point he gets cramps and last time around was put on laxatives to keep his bowels working. His plans to sort himself out get more odd, cost more financially and emotionally and fail repeatedly until the cheeriness dwindles and he wishes he was dead (although never said he'd take his life or tried). The ideas to sort himself out are often horrible, shaming himself, at one point hitting a wall, buying things to make tomorrow better but they don't, being suspicious those who love him are stopping him because shit they are, living homeless for a while, and sleeping, more and more sleeping - oh, and booze which fuels more 'good' ideas. On ADs he's pretty much fine so eventually a new doctor, or even an old one at his bequest will take him off again - and it will happen again, perhaps not certainly but it feels certain. Sometimes it happens slowly and then I'll be the first to hope and even believe it isn't coming but it does - fucking relentlessly. Thankfully, as years have gone by the process gets stopped alot sooner but to date nothing except pills has worked in doing so.
As someone who cares about reasoning it matters to me a great deal whether ADs are only placebos, I don't want what I've seen to change all the ongoing research and the much needed critiques but as a person I couldn't give a shit whether it's only placebo effect, the effect, wherever it comes from makes such a profound difference. I don't think that to date research has enough of a clear consensus to argue whether there exists a real therapeutic effect or not beyond what people believe will happen.
Where my predilection for science meets my personal perspective is that this is a baby science, it's so recent that we've had even the most basic tools to even see the living brain, it's encased in bone and utterly precious - it will take time and mistakes to learn. If the process of that learning is argued against on the basis of the presence of error we cannot reach a greater understanding - all we'll be left with is to rant and live with it, for me personally that would be a desperately sad outcome.
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You describe a tragic situation, that has to be painful to your ill family member and horrible for those who care about him. It seems that for him, medication is live-saving and more. The doctors who fail to take into account his life history, on and off the medication, seem to be substituting their own concept of what depression should look like for your loved one's actual illness, assuming that his need for medication isn't permanent. Shame on them for not really getting to know the patient. How very sad that your family member could be living a productive life, free of eventual pits of devolution and their inherent horrors. I hope he is currently well and that he continues to do better.
I was wondering...Might something in the health system have failed him such that he doesn't have a doctor who knows what works/doesn't work for him and can see him through for the duration? No judgment implied.
I was wondering...Might something in the health system have failed him such that he doesn't have a doctor who knows what works/doesn't work for him and can see him through for the duration? No judgment implied.
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I was wondering about the differences a dozen years would make to this subject. Unexpectedly, I noticed how many people aren't here anymore.
Hope they are all well.
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I've been well the past few years. After 40 years of depression and psychotic delusions, it was an unexpected change. Having just gone through a week of depression that likely was situational, I'm surprised at how easily it catches me off-guard now that I've had to recalibrate my sensors. And surprised at how much it does mess me up when it happens.
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Well I'm like Orpheus from earlier in the thread. A bipolar diagnosis and subsequent drug regime probably saved my life. There's no doubt in my mind the drugs are the difference. But the reality is that psychiatry is a bit of a crank "science". Too many unknowns and progress is usually made via trial and error. I tried probably 7 or 8 different drugs before I hit on the right ones.
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I take lithium. When I stop don't notice any difference myself, but everyone else does. It was discovered by accident - no science involved. Still take the lithium and maybe one day they'll dice my brain and figure it all out but not today.pErvinalia wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:23 pmWell I'm like Orpheus from earlier in the thread. A bipolar diagnosis and subsequent drug regime probably saved my life. There's no doubt in my mind the drugs are the difference. But the reality is that psychiatry is a bit of a crank "science". Too many unknowns and progress is usually made via trial and error. I tried probably 7 or 8 different drugs before I hit on the right ones.
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I'm depressed to the max. and though I do take meds for it, the only notable effect is that my tummy keeps growing
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I just got a prescription for Wellbutrin today and, as I mentioned before, one of the side effects is weight loss, amazingly enough. Not sure if this med is available over there (or what it would be called). We'll see what it does for me. (Right now, I'm just existing and little else.)
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I hope you find the highest quality foods, if you start cutting weight. I went with measuring and counting, but there are lots of ways to improve our self-feeding. Being on a cut, I tend to focus more on quality of food. Being on a bulk, I relax my choices a lot more.tattuchu wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:52 pmI just got a prescription for Wellbutrin today and, as I mentioned before, one of the side effects is weight loss, amazingly enough. Not sure if this med is available over there (or what it would be called). We'll see what it does for me. (Right now, I'm just existing and little else.)
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The only thing I remember about Wellbutrin is that I didn't like it. I don't remember why.
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It used to be "drink, smoke weed, drop acid".
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I gave up regular drinking a few years ago. Best thing I ever did. And haven't smoked weed for probably 10 years or so.
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