Long-term global warming trend sustained in 2013

[mistermack]

SHows the usual ignorance....it's actually .8 C so a bit more than 1 degree F but it's triple that in the north

Canada's winters are 3.6 C warmer on average than 50 years ago so we now have pine beetles that can over winter and are destroying the boreal forest...

so yes it does have fucking consequences.

That just shows how little you actually understand. They keep quoting .8 C, but don't mention that the first .3 happened before CO2 started it's significant rise.
The world has only half a degree since 1950, when the CO2 levels began to take off.

If you people had a case, you wouldn't need to lie about it.

[Tero]

Aside from the measurable temperature rise, there is the cumulative effect:
-forests
-insects
-glaciers
-ocean temp

So we do have a case and as usual you only have exaggetations, hyperbole and BS.

[mistermack]

Aside from the measurable temperature rise, there is the cumulative effect:
-forests
-insects
-glaciers
-ocean temp

So we do have a case and as usual you only have exaggetations, hyperbole and BS.

In fact, you illustrate just how biased the argument is about global warming.
Nobody likes to mention the fact that higher CO2 makes plants able to grow in drier areas.
This has many benefits for forests, insects and other wildlife, as well as farming.
It could, and probably will, cause desert areas to shrink in the long term. Not because of higher rainfall, but because plants can exploit drier conditions.

Also, you never hear of the benefits of warmer temperatures, in colder areas. It could bring huge areas of colder land into agricultural production. Great stuff.

So what you have is half of one degree of warming, with a very marginal overall effect.
It could be slightly negative, or slightly positive. But it will be fuck-all either way.

[macdoc]

Official prophecy of doom: Global warming will cause widespread conflict, displace millions of people and devastate the global economy

Leaked draft report from UN panel seen by The Independent is most comprehensive investigation into impact of climate change ever undertaken - and it's not good news
TOM BAWDEN Author Biography Tuesday 18 March 2014

Climate change will displace hundreds of millions of people by the end of this century, increasing the risk of violent conflict and wiping trillions of dollars off the global economy, a forthcoming UN report will warn.

The second of three publications by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, due to be made public at the end of this month, is the most comprehensive investigation into the impact of climate change ever undertaken. A draft of the final version seen by The Independent says the warming climate will place the world under enormous strain, forcing mass migration, especially in Asia, and increasing the risk of violent conflict.

Based on thousands of peer-reviewed studies and put together by hundreds of respected scientists, the report predicts that climate change will reduce median crop yields by 2 per cent per decade for the rest of the century – at a time of rapidly growing demand for food. This will in turn push up malnutrition in children by about a fifth, it predicts.

Climate change

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Coastal systems and low-lying areasFood securityThe global economyHuman healthHuman securityFreshwater resourcesUnique landscapes

The report also forecasts that the warming climate will take its toll on human health, pushing up the number of intense heatwaves and fires and increasing the risk from food and water-borne diseases.

While the impact on the UK will be relatively small, global issues such as rising food prices will pose serious problems. Britain’s health and environmental “cultural heritage” is also likely to be hurt, the report warns.

According to the draft report, a rare grassy coastal habitat unique to Scotland and Ireland is set to suffer, as are grouse moors in the UK and peatlands in Ireland. The UK’s already elevated air pollution is likely to worsen as burning fossil fuels increase ozone levels, while warmer weather will increase the incidence of asthma and hay fever.

Coastal systems and low-lying areas

The report predicts that by the end of the century “hundreds of millions of people will be affected by coastal flooding and displaced due to land loss”. The majority affected will be in East Asia, South-east Asia and South Asia. Rising sea levels mean coastal systems and low-lying areas will increasingly experience submergence, coastal flooding and coastal erosion.

Food security

Relatively low local temperature increases of 1C or more above pre-industralised levels are projected to “negatively impact” yields of major crops such as wheat, rice and maize in tropical and temperate regions. The report forecasts that climate change will reduce median yields by up to 2 per cent per decade for the rest of the century – against a backdrop of rising demand that is set to increase by 14 per cent per decade until 2050.

The global economy

A global mean temperature increase of 2.5C above pre-industrial levels may lead to global aggregate economic losses of between 0.2 and 2.0 per cent, the report warns. Global GDP was $71.8trn (£43.1trn) in 2012, meaning a 2 per cent reduction would wipe $1.4trn off the world’s economic output that year.

Human health

Until mid-century, climate change will impact human health mainly by exacerbating problems that already exist, the report says. Climate change will lead to increases in ill-health in many regions, with examples including a greater likelihood of injury, disease and death due to more intense heatwaves and fires; increased likelihood of under-nutrition; and increased risks from food and water-borne diseases. Without accelerated investment in planned adaptations, climate change by 2050 would increase the number of undernourished children under the age of five by 20-25 million globally, or by 17-22 per cent, it says.

Human security

Climate change over the 21st century will have a significant impact on forms of migration that compromise human security, the report states. For example, it indirectly increases the risks from violent conflict in the form of civil war, inter-group violence and violent protests by exacerbating well-established drivers of these conflicts such as poverty and economic shocks.

Small-island states and other places highly vulnerable to sea-level rise face major challenges to their territorial integrity. Some “transboundary” impacts of climate change, such as changes in sea ice, shared water resources and migration of fish stocks have the potential to increase rivalry among states.

Freshwater resources

The draft of the report says “freshwater-related risks of climate change increase significantly with increasing greenhouse gas emissions”. It finds that climate change will “reduce renewable surface water and groundwater resources significantly in most dry subtropical regions”, exacerbating the competition for water. Terrestrial and freshwater species will also face an increased extinction risk under projected climate change during and beyond the 21st century.

Unique landscapes

Machair, a grassy coastal habitat found only in north-west Scotland and the west coast of Ireland, is one of the several elements of the UK’s “cultural heritage” that is at risk from climate change, the report says. Machair is found only on west-facing shores and is rich in calcium carbonate derived from crushed seashells. It is so rare and special, that a recent assessment by the European Forum on Nature Conservation and Pastoralism described it as an “unknown jewel”.

The IPCC also warns of climate threats to Irish peatlands and UK grousemoors and notes an increasing risk to health across Europe from rising air pollution – in which the polluted UK is already in serial breach of EU regulations.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 98171.html

sow the wind??.....whirl wind right on schedule

[Hermit]

[mistermack]

You can hardly class climate ''science'' as a science.
It's more like ''97% of devotees''.

Proper science is dedicated to rigorous testing of hypotheses and theories, with extreme scepticism.
Not banning all mention of criticism.

Climate science is joke science right now, which is a shame, because it could have been a useful discipline.

[Tero]

I gave you the raw dara a year or two ago. All you had to do was put it in an Excel sheet and let it plot. It's not complicated. See NASA website. You could recruit anyone with a math or science degree and get a simple idea in a few hours.

[macdoc]

MM - your understanding of almost anything to do with science is a complete joke ......when you fix that then maybe your "skepticism" has some weight.
For now it just demonstrates profound ignorance of how the world works.

[mistermack]

MM - your understanding of almost anything to do with science is a complete joke ......when you fix that then maybe your "skepticism" has some weight.
For now it just demonstrates profound ignorance of how the world works.

That's rich, coming from someone who's only talent it the ability to copy and paste from the blogs of others.
Why don't you write your own rabid blog? Because you don't know enough of the bollocks.

But never mind. I have the facts on my side. The world isn't warming, it stopped 17 years ago, and hasn't warmed even a hundredth of a degree since.
The facts continually prove what bollocks it all was. I don't need to do anything.

[mistermack]

It's a normal spring day here in England. Breezy, the odd shower, but not too cold. Nice and fresh.

Scientists predict that there will be more of this to come, as a result of no warming
But they do predict drier and warmer climatic conditions this summer, as a result of summer.
And autumnal conditions are predicted to return, this autumn, followed by rather wintery conditions.

We are going to have to get used to a lot more of this, as a result of no global warming.

And get used to paying a lot more for energy, of course. It's inevitable, as a result of no global warming.

[Tero]

Invest in energy solutions. It will pay off by 2050. Fusion should be going by then.

No subsidies for coal. Not a penny to Kochs.

[mistermack]

The warm growing season here in England is very slightly longer now, because of the slightly shorter winters.
This has boosted productivity and cut energy bills.
On the tv the other night was a piece on people growing cucumbers under glass for the English supermarkets. They need less fuel for their greenhouses now.
They generate all of their heat using waste biomass, and actually feed power into the grid with the surplus.
Now they are putting even more into the grid, making money and keeping the price of cucumbers down.
Good old global warming. Keep it up lads. I think I'll go for a drive.
It's good to know you're helping.

[Tero]

Well, as long as you are not alarmist about it.

I really hate that Daily Mail climate conspiracy guy!

[Tero]

I'm sick of denialists (couple of other forums) putting some alarmist's words in my mouth. If you have noticed, I'm backing off on most extreme weather claims. Simply because weather is a lot trickier than climate.

Also, if we have to ask about say farming: Do we allow the farmer to use gas and tractors, or do we demand an immediate switch to "solar tractors" (I just made that up), I would say run the tractor with the gas! We have to eat, let's be realistic.

[macdoc]

Yup - Sweden is well on the way to carbon neutral by 2050 with a combination of technologies.

Transport is difficult as yet.

The primary target is closing coal plants as Mass is intending to do and Ontario has done.

While Patrick began his speech with the importance of citizenship, he devoted the majority of his time to climate change and clean energy. He highlighted the recent National Climate Assessment and how climate change was affecting New England. He then laid out the steps Massachusetts has taken over the last decade and a half to cut carbon emissions, invest in clean energy, and adapt to a changing climate.
“Between 2000 and 2012, the electricity generated from coal in New England dropped from 18 percent to 3 percent; electricity generated from oil is down from 22 percent to less than 1 percent,” Patrick said.
“Three of the so-called ‘filthy five’ coal burning power plants in Massachusetts have been retired in the last few years. Two remain: Brayton Point in the South Coast region and Mt. Tom, just down the road. Within the next four years, both should shut down and Massachusetts should finally end all reliance on conventional coal generation.”

There is good reason to be alarmed if you are in an industry or a region ( California for instance ) which are on the front lines for climae change and extreme weather.

Reasoned alarm is what has insurance brokers raising premiums for those at risk from climate change and it's huge region and many industries.....do you really think New York City planners are sitting back after Sandy wake up call.?