Wikipedia: It is an upper bound on the speed at which energy, matter, and information can travel, as surpassing it "would lead to the destruction of the essential relation between cause and effect."colubridae wrote:Dude that wasn't the question I asked. Let me lead you through this, otherwise you will just make yourself look like a fucking idiot and you don't want that do you?dj357 wrote: photons (commonly known as light) are considered to be massless packets of electro-magnetic radiation that exhibit particle-wave duality. i understand photons are the poster child for quantum mechanics. i understand they behave differently than we would normally see things in everyday, but I understand light and these concepts.
Once again it is very important:-
Do you know why light travels at a constant speed in all frames of reference?
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dj357 wrote: Wikipedia: It is an upper bound on the speed at which energy, matter, and information can travel, as surpassing it "would lead to the destruction of the essential relation between cause and effect."
Not only that, but a massive object traveling at velocity c would gain an infinite amount of mass and become infinitely thin. This would prevent it from traveling at c in the first place.
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based on the Lorentz factorNautilidae wrote:dj357 wrote: Wikipedia: It is an upper bound on the speed at which energy, matter, and information can travel, as surpassing it "would lead to the destruction of the essential relation between cause and effect."
Not only that, but a massive object traveling at velocity c would gain an infinite amount of mass and become infinitely thin. This would prevent it from traveling at c in the first place.
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I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?dj357 wrote:based on the Lorentz factorNautilidae wrote:dj357 wrote: Wikipedia: It is an upper bound on the speed at which energy, matter, and information can travel, as surpassing it "would lead to the destruction of the essential relation between cause and effect."
Not only that, but a massive object traveling at velocity c would gain an infinite amount of mass and become infinitely thin. This would prevent it from traveling at c in the first place.
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no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?
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Ah, alright. I apologize for the misunderstandingdj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?

Now that we have discussed it, do you understand why time is relative depending on the frame of reference?
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actually, hang on. how the hell does an object magically become infinitely thin...? length contraction actually happens...? I was udner the impression that length contraction was merely an observed effect but not an actual effect upon the body travelling near or at the speed of lightdj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?
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Yes, length contraction actually occurs.dj357 wrote:actually, hang on. how the hell does an object magically become infinitely thin...? length contraction actually happens...?dj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?
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WTF? how...? has this been experimentally proven...?Nautilidae wrote:Yes, length contraction actually occurs.dj357 wrote:actually, hang on. how the hell does an object magically become infinitely thin...? length contraction actually happens...?dj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?
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Not yet, but it is experimentally testable. If length contraction is correct, we expect distances between stars to appear smaller. From Earth, this means that the angle between the two stars is slightly change.dj357 wrote:WTF? how...? has this been experimentally proven...?Nautilidae wrote:Yes, length contraction actually occurs.dj357 wrote:actually, hang on. how the hell does an object magically become infinitely thin...? length contraction actually happens...?dj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?
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that doesn't make any sense... if an object with a non-zero rest mass requires infinite mass to travel at the speed of light what causes it to become thin as opposed to compressed or expanded...?Nautilidae wrote:Not yet, but it is experimentally testable. If length contraction is correct, we expect distances between stars to appear smaller. From Earth, this means that the angle between the two stars is slightly change.
as for experimental testing how can we judge if the distances between stars are smaller than they actually are? if the only way we can measure their distance is through observation, which would show the distance being smaller than it physically is, how can we figure out what the actual distance should be...?
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The lhc@home screensaver shows the rippled pancake structure of massive protons very clearly.dj357 wrote:WTF? how...? has this been experimentally proven...?Nautilidae wrote:Yes, length contraction actually occurs.dj357 wrote:actually, hang on. how the hell does an object magically become infinitely thin...? length contraction actually happens...?dj357 wrote:no, just showing that I understand the reason infinite mass would be requiredNautilidae wrote:I apologize, but is this an attempt to show that length reduction and mass gain are not physical phenomena?

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link please...?newolder wrote:The lhc@home screensaver shows the rippled pancake structure of massive protons very clearly.
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http://lhcathome.cern.ch/dj357 wrote:link please...?newolder wrote:The lhc@home screensaver shows the rippled pancake structure of massive protons very clearly.
It's not issuing work units at the moment but I expect it'll not be too long...
This image is very low quality but I'm still searching for something better...

Slightly better... You can see Heisenberg uncertainty in the orbits...

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I haven't a freaking clue what I'm supposed to be looking at here...newolder wrote:http://lhcathome.cern.ch/dj357 wrote:link please...?newolder wrote:The lhc@home screensaver shows the rippled pancake structure of massive protons very clearly.
It's not issuing work units at the moment but I expect it'll not be too long...
This image is very low quality but I'm still searching for something better...
Slightly better... You can see Heisenberg uncertainty in the orbits...
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