Mass Explained By Someone who knows about Science

[Brain Man]

Interesting you talk of Arthur Holmes, there is another geologist called James Maxlow who uses computer models to show that tectonics needs to be modified to include plate expansion.

But you must know that this guy is quote probably mentally ill, right? On his website he says that, "Earth radius has been increasing exponentially throughout time, increasing to a current rate of 22mm/year." This is something that should be detectable given the lunar ranging observations that have been available for 40 years now. But it's not detected.

Its not a precise theory. The expansion by the mechanisms he proposed may not be linear across time. Do you have any other reason to think he is mentally ill ?

[Brain Man]

We are not in the fight against religion here. Thats a totally different realm. What we might be involved in, is a fight against extreme scientific restriction which is growing at an exponential rate to be ultra conservative...

I think it's very similar to fighting religion. We see people believing in things for which there is no scientific evidence, promoting mystery, and dismissing the scientific evidence and the simple logic which challenges those beliefs. When pressed, the response is essentially the "heretic" card. At no stage do we see a rational analysis of the subject of discussion. Instead what we see is denial, with inscrutable mathematics employed instead of arcane scripture to evade the issue, usually followed by deiberate diversions thence attempts at censorship. Search google on "priesthood" along with say "arXiv" or "physics" to appreciate the parallels.

I found this

http://www.academicevolution.com/peer-review/

Interesting articles...on superiority and vanity that actually agree with what people inside the system have been saying. i.e. Publications being narcissistic, I have heard this myself right up to the high level of Craig Venters employees.

Still cant throw the baby out with the bathwater, i mean what these people do is highly impressive. Could be such glory is part of the problem itself, or its a necessary part of the equation. i.e. We just cant help ourselves. It might be its just plain weird to figure stuff out in a vacuum, and not care for others thoughts. At the end of the day, most of us want to be somebody while we live, to be socially recognized or to be respected as an authority on what we say.

[Farsight]

Interesting article, BrainMan. Exclusivity and elitism certainly do feature in all this. One of the things I was motivated by, was finding out about a 57% reduction in UK A-level physics candidates in the last 25 years. I was surprised that I found out about it from the CBI rather than from physics media. People in physics didn't seem to be concerned about it, and after that I found out about "graduate birth control". Typically a profession or guild enriches its members by restricting entrants. Have a look at this and pay careful attention to "the threats" about 8 minutes in: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/multimedia/41681. Also take a look at this newspaper internet article. There have been a number of similar articles of late. I'm not sure that all are sincere.

[ChildInAZoo]

Interesting you talk of Arthur Holmes, there is another geologist called James Maxlow who uses computer models to show that tectonics needs to be modified to include plate expansion.

But you must know that this guy is quote probably mentally ill, right? On his website he says that, "Earth radius has been increasing exponentially throughout time, increasing to a current rate of 22mm/year." This is something that should be detectable given the lunar ranging observations that have been available for 40 years now. But it's not detected.

Its not a precise theory. The expansion by the mechanisms he proposed may not be linear across time. Do you have any other reason to think he is mentally ill ?

What do you not understand? He is predicting expansion of the Earth right now, expansion that we should be able to measure and expansion that we don't actually observe. To ignore that big a hole in his theory, there has to be something going on.

[Twiglet]

And yet the grades for admission to physics courses are the same, or lower than 25 years ago, despite the drop in standards of A level physics which occured in the uk over the same period.

[Brain Man]

Interesting article, BrainMan. Exclusivity and elitism certainly do feature in all this. One of the things I was motivated by, was finding out about a 57% reduction in UK A-level physics candidates in the last 25 years. I was surprised that I found out about it from the CBI rather than from physics media. People in physics didn't seem to be concerned about it, and after that I found out about "graduate birth control". Typically a profession or guild enriches its members by restricting entrants. Have a look at this and pay careful attention to "the threats" about 8 minutes in: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/multimedia/41681. Also take a look at this newspaper internet article. There have been a number of similar articles of late. I'm not sure that all are sincere.

Ive noticed this with the Internet. Initially it was great..whoaa i can integrate so much knowledge, and tried to use that creatively. Then over time i noticed something else happen in the past five years. People stopped having in depth discussion, more and more the posts got shorter, till nobody was saying anything but glib one liners and i can hardly tell the difference between something my kid sister says on facebook and her great uncle. Ok I admit there is a certain intelligence in being able to summarize whats going on in a concise manner...but still...could be that this is just what most people are happy with. i.e. The web initially attracted information junkies and learners, and now everybody is on it. I'll just be polite and say everybody is not an information junkie and there still in depth corners of the web.

If you take my theory that human beings naturally inhibit their creativity for social hierachies, and cannot see any information unless its attached to a respected member of a hiearchy then everybody being online could explains why the internet will become an increasingly hostile place for theorists in the future.

What was Lord Rees, referring to ? Not that im interested in what hierachical people say of course... He says there was some danger when everybody has access to physics, but am not sure what he was trying to say.

[Brain Man]

And yet the grades for admission to physics courses are the same, or lower than 25 years ago, despite the drop in standards of A level physics which occured in the uk over the same period.

The admissions to most courses are lower than 25 years ago.

[Brain Man]

Interesting you talk of Arthur Holmes, there is another geologist called James Maxlow who uses computer models to show that tectonics needs to be modified to include plate expansion.

But you must know that this guy is quote probably mentally ill, right? On his website he says that, "Earth radius has been increasing exponentially throughout time, increasing to a current rate of 22mm/year." This is something that should be detectable given the lunar ranging observations that have been available for 40 years now. But it's not detected.

Its not a precise theory. The expansion by the mechanisms he proposed may not be linear across time. Do you have any other reason to think he is mentally ill ?

What do you not understand? He is predicting expansion of the Earth right now, expansion that we should be able to measure and expansion that we don't actually observe. To ignore that big a hole in his theory, there has to be something going on.

I'm not ignoring it. I am just not placing all my confidence in maxlow to figure it all out.

I am neither confident in the community of geologists, as they do nothing to explain how the continent pieces fit together so well in line with the ocean floor expansion, and just show reactivity over small points rather than interest in trying to explain this.

I cannot be confident in a single proponent to present every answer, as they do not have the resources to do so.

So no solution in sight. Maybe its the certainty the attracts people to old information.

[Brain Man]

hold on ill be back later..just got to check the latest on facebook...

[Brain Man]

very interesting. An ex girlfriend had a new fortune cookie delivered and one of my mates is complaining his girlfriend is a ballbreaker. and amrit said something in hungarian i couldnt translate....

half my facebook friends are scientists. Even Garret Lisi is making weak one liners today...

[colubridae]

I am neither confident in the community of geologists, as they do nothing to explain how the continent pieces fit together so well in line with the ocean floor expansion, and just show reactivity over small points rather than interest in trying to explain this.

What are you babbling about now.

Plate tectonics explains the fit perfectly.
In my trainng one of the reasons for the theory of plate tectonics was the continental plate fit.

[colubridae]

FS and BM and I suppose Mistermack as well.

Just out of interest, apart from your own wacky theories, is there any current scientific theory that you agree with?

[Brain Man]

I am neither confident in the community of geologists, as they do nothing to explain how the continent pieces fit together so well in line with the ocean floor expansion, and just show reactivity over small points rather than interest in trying to explain this.

What are you babbling about now.

Plate tectonics explains the fit perfectly.
In my trainng one of the reasons for the theory of plate tectonics was the continental plate fit.

In your training where you looked at the earth on a sheet of flat paper and nobody it seemed could think in 4 dimensions you mean.

i.e. You think this makes more sense




than this ?



Any more on this should go to another thread. It not directly relevant to mass.

[Brain Man]

FS and BM and I suppose Mistermack as well.

Just out of interest, apart from your own wacky theories, is there any current scientific theory that you agree with?

Theres nothing wacky about hierarchical information theory. Thats an accepted facet of social sciences in itself. I am just applying it to science where this was not supposed to the case till recently. I am not sure i agree with farsight on the why. I think its pure laziness rather than belief that makes this work.

I wouldnt want to put a figure on it, but the bulk of science thats out there is good.

Edit..Sorry i see the wording makes it look like i am proposing that humans inhibit their creativity for social hierarchies...This has already been established in neuro labs in the 70s and a new spate of studies bring out details on this. Just goes to show though you are consistent in not being able to recognize real information though..,

I am saying this is in operation in science, because its cant be contained when something becomes mainstream. its like trying to hold a baloon underwater..

[Brain Man]

Gets more interesting all the time.

Here is an example of pure ignorance at play under the guise of dawkins proponents.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQctuX0p ... re=related[/youtube]

They basically stand over an animation showing how the continental plates fit back into each other, slagging it off for group approval by athiests.

Did these guys ever occur to them once why the plates fit together ? No of course not, their minds are filled only with groupthink,some facts on geology that misrepresent expanding earth theory constructed with the intent of recieving positive social feedback from other athiests.