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Apparent slowing of sea level rise is artefact of satellite data

A slowdown in rising sea levels recorded over the past decade is down to a measurement error. In fact, sea levels are rising more quickly than ever.

Over the past century, the sea level has risen by around 0.2 metres, and it has been rising faster and faster.

However, this trend got murky over the past decade, with satellite data suggesting that the sea level has risen slightly more slowly in the past decade than in the previous one.

That would be good news if true. Yet the result was odd because other studies showed that more water than ever was pouring into the oceans from melting glaciers and ice caps.

"It was a bit of puzzle," says Christopher Watson of the University of Tasmania in Hobart.

One possible explanation was that more water had been accumulating on land because of increased rainfall in some places. This can undoubtedly cause fluctuations in sea level; the intense flooding in Australia and elsewhere in 2011, for instance, caused a distinct dip.

Watson's team has now shown the rates have not actually slowed down but are, indeed, still accelerating. It found that the apparent slowdown was due to errors in satellite data, which have been used since 1993 to measure sea levels, in addition to tide gauges.

His team identified errors in the satellite record by, among other things, comparing the satellite data to a larger number of tide gauges than any previous analysis. Their analysis shows the apparent decline was due to calibration errors that meant the first satellite – Topex A, which operated from 1993 to 1999 – slightly overestimated sea levels. This masked the ongoing acceleration.

The results fit in much better both with measurements of ice loss and with projections of future sea level rises. "It is consistent with all the projections," Watson says.

(continued, airlines go bust and the skies clear and the ship sinks in less than fifty years....) :nono:
I find it remarkable that the global warming "pause" is increasingly being attributed to "errors" in past data that have been "found" by Warmists all of a sudden.

Nothing to see here, no conspiracy, move along.... :bored:
Calibration errors are very common. Look at the price of oil and the stock market? No obvious connection but both appear way out of whack given the longer term trends. Even if the climate change lot are wrong, unlikely but there could be a drunk driver going the other way, even if they are wrong - might be good to preserve the remaining oil as long as possible? especially the light crude so crucial for aviation both civil and military?
Nah. Eat, drink and drive like hell, for tomorrow we die!

I say we use it all up as quickly as possible...if we can...that way we'll be forced to find new energy sources.
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Post by cronus » Tue May 12, 2015 5:03 am

The natural hand of the free market will produce the best outcome. Too many ways oil can be rigged at present. If there was a return to the gold standard it would be far less easy to distort natural and accurate supply/demand issues? Let's call it capitalism?
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Post by cronus » Sat May 16, 2015 3:33 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ation-nasa

Vast Antarctic ice shelf a few years from disintegration, says Nasa

The last intact section of one of Antarctica’s mammoth ice shelves is weakening fast and will likely disintegrate completely in the next few years, contributing further to rising sea levels, according to a Nasa study released on Thursday.

The research focused on a remnant of the so-called Larsen B Ice Shelf, which has existed for at least 10,000 years but partially collapsed in 2002. What is left covers about 625 sq miles (1,600 sq km), about half the size of Rhode Island.

Antarctica has dozens of ice shelves – massive, glacier-fed floating platforms of ice that hang over the sea at the edge of the continent’s coast line. The largest is roughly the size of France.

Larsen B is located in the Antarctic Peninsula, which extends toward the southern tip of South America and is one of two principal areas of the continent where scientists have documented the thinning of such ice formations.

“This study of the Antarctic Peninsula glaciers provides insights about how ice shelves farther south, which hold much more land ice, will react to a warming climate,” said Eric Rignot, co-author of the study and a glaciologist at Nasa’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

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Scumple wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... ation-nasa

Vast Antarctic ice shelf a few years from disintegration, says Nasa

The last intact section of one of Antarctica’s mammoth ice shelves is weakening fast and will likely disintegrate completely in the next few years, contributing further to rising sea levels, according to a Nasa study released on Thursday.

The research focused on a remnant of the so-called Larsen B Ice Shelf, which has existed for at least 10,000 years but partially collapsed in 2002. What is left covers about 625 sq miles (1,600 sq km), about half the size of Rhode Island.

Antarctica has dozens of ice shelves – massive, glacier-fed floating platforms of ice that hang over the sea at the edge of the continent’s coast line. The largest is roughly the size of France.

Larsen B is located in the Antarctic Peninsula, which extends toward the southern tip of South America and is one of two principal areas of the continent where scientists have documented the thinning of such ice formations.

“This study of the Antarctic Peninsula glaciers provides insights about how ice shelves farther south, which hold much more land ice, will react to a warming climate,” said Eric Rignot, co-author of the study and a glaciologist at Nasa’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California.

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Ice shelves don't increase the sea level because they are already in the ocean. They don't "hang over the sea", they float IN the sea, where they displace their weight in water already. If anything, because water expands when it freezes, and therefore contracts when it melts, floating ice (90 percent of which is underwater) that melts has zero impact on sea levels. Only ice that's on land and which flows into the sea as it melts can have any such effect, and we're talking about sea level increases that are indistinguishable from zero so far.
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Post by Animavore » Sun May 17, 2015 8:44 am

The article clearly says the ice shelves hang over the sea at the coastline. This, to me, implies they're on land.
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Post by Seth » Sun May 17, 2015 7:45 pm

Animavore wrote:The article clearly says the ice shelves hang over the sea at the coastline. This, to me, implies they're on land.
Just how far do you think a "shelf" of ice can extend beyond land without touching the surface of the ocean? Do a bit of research on the physical and mechanical properties of ice why don't you.

Here's the child's version: Not very damned far. If it's not floating in the water or supported by the land, it breaks and falls off right away.
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Post by piscator » Mon May 18, 2015 12:42 am

Maybe there are metaphysical properties of ice shelves which some have heretofore not properly considered?
One cannot experience ice shelviness, merely observe. So what can we know if the essence of the thing is withheld from us? Similarly, what can we as paintings know of the Painter? ...

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Post by cronus » Mon May 18, 2015 2:40 am

piscator wrote:Maybe there are metaphysical properties of ice shelves which some have heretofore not properly considered?
One cannot experience ice shelviness, merely observe. So what can we know if the essence of the thing is withheld from us? Similarly, what can we as paintings know of the Painter? ...
...requires a new set of brushes. :read:
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Post by piscator » Mon May 18, 2015 3:26 am

Scumple wrote:It's a vast conspiracy against metaphysics!
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Post by Seth » Wed May 20, 2015 1:30 am

More climate fraud...
More Countries Caught Manipulating Their Climate Data
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Weather agencies in Australia, Paraguay and Switzerland may be manipulating temperature data to create a sharper warming trend than is present in the raw data — a practice that has come under scrutiny in recent months.

Most recently, Dr. H. Sterling Burnett with the Heartland Institute detailed how the Swiss Meteorological Service adjusted its climate data “to show greater warming than actually measured by its temperature instruments.”

In his latest article, Sterling wrote that Switzerland’s weather bureau adjusted its raw temperature data so that “the temperatures reported were consistently higher than those actually recorded.” For example, the cities of Sion and Zurich saw “a doubling of the temperature trend” after such adjustments were made.

But even with the data tampering, Sterling noted that “there has been an 18-year-pause in rising temperatures, even with data- tampering.”

“Even with fudged data, governments have been unable to hide the fact winters in Switzerland and in Central Europe have become colder over the past 20 years, defying predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and other climate alarmists,” according to Sterling.

The Swiss affair, however, is not the first instance of data “homogenization” catalogued by scientists and researchers who are skeptical of man-made global warming. In January, skeptic blogger Paul Homewood documented how NASA has “homogenized” temperature data across Paraguay to create a warming trend that doesn’t exist in the raw data.

Homewood found that all three operational rural thermometers in Paraguay had been adjusted by NASA to show a warming trend where one did not exist before. Homewood also found that urban thermometers in Paraguay had similarly been adjusted by NASA.

“[NASA is] supposed to make a ‘homogenisation adjustment,’ to allow for [urban heat island (UHI)] bias,” Homewood wrote. “The sort of thing you would expect to see at Asuncion Airport, Paraguay’s main gateway, handling over 800,000 passengers a year.”

“However, far from increasing historic temperatures to allow for UHI, [NASA] has done the opposite and decreased temperatures prior to 1972 by 0.4C,” Homewood added.

Before that, the Australian Bureau of Meteorology (ABM) was forced to admit it adjusts temperatures recorded at all weather stations across the country. Aussie journalists had been critical of ABM for being secretive about its data adjustments.

“Almost all the alterations resulted in higher temperatures being reported for the present and lower numbers for the past–with the higher numbers being used to demonstrate a historical warming trend–than the numbers that were actually recorded,” wrote Sterling.

“Downward homogenizations in recent years were rare. In some areas, downward temperature trends measured over time showed a significantly increased temperature trend after homogenization,” he added. “The difference between actually measured temperatures and homogenized temperatures topped 4 degrees Celsius over certain periods at some measuring stations.”

Global warming skeptics have increasingly become critical of adjustments to raw temperature data made by government climate agencies. Such adjustments seem to overwhelmingly show a massive warming trend not present in the raw data.

Such adjusted data has been used by climate scientists and environmental activists to claim that 2014 was the warmest year on record. Adjusted data also shows that 13 of the warmest years on record have occurred since 2000.

NOAA and other climate agencies have defended such adjustments to the temperature record, arguing they are necessary to correct for “biases” that distort the reality of the Earth’s climate.

NOAA scientists increase or decrease temperatures to correct for things like changes in the locations of thermometers (some that were once in rural areas are now in the suburbs or even in cities). Scientists have also had to correct for a drastic change in the time of day temperatures were recorded (for whatever reason, past temperatures were recorded in the afternoon, but are now often collected in the morning).

Other adjustments have been made to the data to correct for such “biases,” but global warming skeptics question if the scope of the data adjustments are justifiable.

The U.K.’s Global Warming Policy Foundation has created a panel of skeptical scientists from around the world who will evaluate temperature adjustments to find out if they are scientifically justified.

“Many people have found the extent of adjustments to the data surprising,” Terence Kealey, former vice-chancellor of the University of Buckingham, said in a statement.

“While we believe that the 20th century warming is real, we are concerned by claims that the actual trend is different from — or less certain than — has been suggested,” said Kealey, who has been appointed chairman of the foundation’s investigative task force. “We hope to perform a valuable public service by getting everything out into the open.”
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Post by piscator » Wed May 20, 2015 3:36 am

Marxist Caught "Adjusting" His Scope
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A man was caught adjusting his riflescope on a range in Texas today.
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Authorities say onlookers saw the man with a dime in his hands and his scope's adjustment caps unscrewed. They dialed 911 from a safe place.
Fearing an outbreak of Communism!, police rushed to the scene before the man could make his rifle more accurate or precise....

"We don't allow no so-called "Adjustments" 'round here. Said the Sheriff, "This county has been Republican since Kennedy freed the slaves, and we wudn't elected to tolerate no science in this here county..."


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Post by DaveDodo007 » Fri May 29, 2015 12:39 am

It was snowing today in Norway, gib moneyz plz oilz baronz.
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piscator wrote:
Marxist Caught "Adjusting" His Scope
Mike Hunt, Daily Dickhead News Service

A man was caught adjusting his riflescope on a range in Texas today.
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Authorities say onlookers saw the man with a dime in his hands and his scope's adjustment caps unscrewed. They dialed 911 from a safe place.
Fearing an outbreak of Communism!, police rushed to the scene before the man could make his rifle more accurate or precise....

"We don't allow no so-called "Adjustments" 'round here. Said the Sheriff, "This county has been Republican since Kennedy freed the slaves, and we wudn't elected to tolerate no science in this here county..."


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Going back and "adjusting" climate data from the past is like taking a sniper's rifle which was already zeroed and twiddling the turrets, which makes it LESS accurate, not more accurate.

The notion of twiddling with the climate data of the past, particularly when the twiddling always results in the AGW curve going up, not down, ignores the fact that the data was "corrected" by the people who took the measurements when they took the measurements, or shortly thereafter when the data was reviewed as a part of the normal process of validating such data. Doing it again now is quite simply scientific fraud and absolutely nothing else.
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