Boeing 787

[mistermack]

Monitoring and charging batteries isn't very hi-tec.
You would think that it's obvious that the battery has shorted out. That's the only way you could get a fire.
I nearly had a battery fire myself the other day. I'd soldered some wires onto the terminals of an ordinary C size rechargeable. ( rather than bother making a holder with springs.
I put the battery in a box when I'd finished with it, and the two wires must have met up.

It was quite dramatic, with the wire on fire, and lots of smoke. Silly me. Forgot to snip the wires off, or tape them up.
So if a c cell can start a fire, a plane batterey can probably do some real damage.

[Coito ergo sum]

Monitoring and charging batteries isn't very hi-tec.
You would think that it's obvious that the battery has shorted out. That's the only way you could get a fire.
I nearly had a battery fire myself the other day. I'd soldered some wires onto the terminals of an ordinary C size rechargeable. ( rather than bother making a holder with springs.
I put the battery in a box when I'd finished with it, and the two wires must have met up.

It was quite dramatic, with the wire on fire, and lots of smoke. Silly me. Forgot to snip the wires off, or tape them up.
So if a c cell can start a fire, a plane batterey can probably do some real damage.

It's a wonder you aren't earning a nice salary working for Boeing. Apparently, all their engineers are morons.

[cronus]

The problem is a complex system like a modern airplane can have numerous weaknesses and the engineers are likely to find one and it is going to be the wrong one, of minor consequence, because planes are insured and they don't need to worry about blow back personally. There was a time when people could be held accountable but the more complex the system the greater the number of people involved the easier it is to pass the book. Maybe we have pushed beyond the limit on what humans can reliably build because of social limits rather than the constraints of the science or engineering? There comes a point where it is easier to retrench progress than to push it forward?

[Coito ergo sum]

The problem is a complex system like a modern airplane can have numerous weaknesses and the engineers are likely to find one and it is going to be the wrong one, of minor consequence, because planes are insured and they don't need to worry about blow back personally. There was a time when people could be held accountable but the more complex the system the greater the number of people involved the easier it is to pass the book. Maybe we have pushed beyond the limit on what humans can reliably build because of social limits rather than the constraints of the science or engineering? There comes a point where it is easier to retrench progress than to push it forward?

Or, it's a gremlin in the system, which they'll work out and the 787 will proceed on to be one of the leading airplanes in the world.

[cronus]

The problem is a complex system like a modern airplane can have numerous weaknesses and the engineers are likely to find one and it is going to be the wrong one, of minor consequence, because planes are insured and they don't need to worry about blow back personally. There was a time when people could be held accountable but the more complex the system the greater the number of people involved the easier it is to pass the book. Maybe we have pushed beyond the limit on what humans can reliably build because of social limits rather than the constraints of the science or engineering? There comes a point where it is easier to retrench progress than to push it forward?

Or, it's a gremlin in the system, which they'll work out and the 787 will proceed on to be one of the leading airplanes in the world.

You know the bathtub curve for reliability? Any early probs will be overlooked in time unless it is catastrophic news porn, in which case sales will be lost completely in this very superstitious world?

[Clinton Huxley]

You got share in Boeing, CES? You seem to be taking criticism of them very personally.

[Svartalf]

Should let the black box determine the fault after the first crash. This is the most economic solution?

after the problems being made public, this seems to be the easiest way to bankruptcy.

[cronus]

Should let the black box determine the fault after the first crash. This is the most economic solution?

after the problems being made public, this seems to be the easiest way to bankruptcy.

The essence of modern economics? Someone will restructure the company and return it to profitability. Or at least make money in the attempt?

[Svartalf]

The debtors will likely demand 75% of profits until all the suits for wrongful deaths are paid up, buy then, we will be in 2300... or more likely have all assets sold and Boeing as we know it disbanded.

[cronus]

The debtors will likely demand 75% of profits until all the suits for wrongful deaths are paid up, buy then, we will be in 2300... or more likely have all assets sold and Boeing as we know it disbanded.

It'll keep lawyers in business for years? There is almost a incentive to fail if you start to ponder how much money could be made from the corpse of Boeing?

[mistermack]

Or, it's a gremlin in the system, which they'll work out and the 787 will proceed on to be one of the leading airplanes in the world.

Oh it's gremlins? Well, they are fucking morons then.
Those little bastards cause nothing but trouble.
I'll email their "engineers" and tell them Coito has put his finger on it.
Instead of keeping it warm, up his ass.

[Coito ergo sum]

You got share in Boeing, CES? You seem to be taking criticism of them very personally.

Actually, you have it backwards. It's not that I'm taking it personally. It is that this is yet another example of Yerpeeins pissing themselves with glee at any opportunity not only to criticize, but to mock and ridicule something American. It appears to be a method to compensate for something.

[Clinton Huxley]

You got share in Boeing, CES? You seem to be taking criticism of them very personally.

Actually, you have it backwards. It's not that I'm taking it personally. It is that this is yet another example of Yerpeeins pissing themselves with glee at any opportunity not only to criticize, but to mock and ridicule something American. It appears to be a method to compensate for something.

I don't think so, CES. I think you are just hyper-sensitive to criticism of anything American. The plane has had problems, after all.

[Coito ergo sum]

Should let the black box determine the fault after the first crash. This is the most economic solution?

after the problems being made public, this seems to be the easiest way to bankruptcy.

The essence of modern economics? Someone will restructure the company and return it to profitability. Or at least make money in the attempt?

No no... that is passe' economics that has been "proven wrong." Modern economics is that the private sector is inefficient and the competition factor causes deficient products to be created. So, Modern economic theory would hold that at a certain critical point Boeing will be saved from bankruptcy (which only evil capitalists would suggest is the proper course) by the government, who will purchase a stake in the company for a price much higher than the company's market capitalization. Once the government bureaucrats get involved in running the company, all will be set to rights.

[Coito ergo sum]

You got share in Boeing, CES? You seem to be taking criticism of them very personally.

Actually, you have it backwards. It's not that I'm taking it personally. It is that this is yet another example of Yerpeeins pissing themselves with glee at any opportunity not only to criticize, but to mock and ridicule something American. It appears to be a method to compensate for something.

I don't think so, CES. I think you are just hyper-sensitive to criticism of anything American. The plane has had problems, after all.

Yes it has, which is translated by Yerpeeins to mean that it is not only a complete failure as a company, but emblematic of the absolute depravity of the entire American system, and proves unequivocally that Airbus is far superior.

I have no problem with criticism of Merka. I do it myself, all the time, and quite often I am taken to task for that criticism. Yerpeeins on the other hand rarely criticize their own countries, and become positively wide-eyed with glee at any opportunity to mock anything American, especially when it leads to the ability to "ah hah!" suggest that something Yerpeein is superior to something Merkin.

That is why we have a Boeing 787 thread as a result of this technical problem, but no such thread was created for Airbus when it had its problems.