Long-term global warming trend sustained in 2013

[pErvinalia]

The cryosphere – the Earth's icey areas – obviously don't think much of the notion that global warming might have stopped.

A study last year in the journal Science looked at glaciers in all regions of the world. The study found that the world's glaciers were melting at a rate of 259 billion tonnes a year between 2003 and 2009.

What about the ice sheets in Antarctica and Greenland, which together hold about 99 per cent of the world's fresh water?

Between 1992 and 2001, ice was melting from the two main ice sheets at a rate of about 64 billion tonnes a year, according to the latest IPCC assessment of the science.

From 2002 to 2011, the ice sheets were melting at a rate of about 362 billion tonnes a year – an almost six-fold increase. What was that about a pause in global warming?

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... MP=soc_567

[macdoc]

any more stupid questions about what happens when you keep more energy in the system.....

fucking hell.......100' waves....

"I'm the landlady of the Cove House Inn in Chiswell and we were hit by a session of massive waves last Wednesday. It was very, very scary - very rough. The waves must have been about 100ft high and came crashing through at about 10:30 in the morning. I got caught in an earlier wave and was washed down the slope to the road, there was no way anyone in their right mind would go out in that weather.

Amanda Broughton-South says she's never seen anything like the huge waves in Chiswell before
"Downstairs wasn't too bad as we had shutters on the windows. But the waves penetrated the second and third floor windows and flooded the bedrooms, with water pouring through the ceilings into the pub.

"It was over in a couple of hours but it poured and poured with rain for two days solid. We had to shut the pub for a few days but it is open again now. It's still blustering out there though - we've boarded up every window, it's like living in a prison because you can't see out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26150788

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From 2002 to 2011, the ice sheets were melting at a rate of about 362 billion tonnes a year – an almost six-fold increase. What was that about a pause in global warming?

that would be the hiroshima equivalent of about 7,000 bombs a day for an entire year to melt that much ice. WE are fucking lucky we have a lot of ice.

[mistermack]

Umm, it DIRECTLY QUOTES THE SCIENTIST INVOLVED. And it's not a blog, it's a reputable news organisation. It explains EVERYTHING you think is fact. Get your head out of the sand.

Oh, the SCIENTIST !!!! HALALOO !!
But wait, wasn't it SCIENTISTS that told us seventeen years ago, that the world was getting hotter and hotter? The same SCIENTISTS that said the pause was a blip, after a couple of years, the same SCIENTISTS that said it would have no significance, unless it lasted thirteen years ..........etc etc.

Climate scientists are full of shit. Hasn't that dawned on you yet?
Unlike other scientists, they can come out with any old shit, and they don't get asked to prove it, as in other sciences. Because every sceptical climate SCIENTIST has been purged, or has taken the hint, and gone to work in another discipline.

So I'm afraid, your argument, that a SCIENTIST said this or that so it must be true, is just as much bollocks as the bollocks that you are quoting.

[mistermack]

From 2002 to 2011, the ice sheets were melting at a rate of about 362 billion tonnes a year – an almost six-fold increase. What was that about a pause in global warming?

that would be the hiroshima equivalent of about 7,000 bombs a day for an entire year to melt that much ice. WE are fucking lucky we have a lot of ice.

And how many high-powered freezers would it take, to increase the Arctic sea-ice volume by fifty percent in one year?

How many bombs would it take, to freeze 3,000 cubic KILOMETRES of sea-water into solid ice?

[pErvinalia]

Umm, it DIRECTLY QUOTES THE SCIENTIST INVOLVED. And it's not a blog, it's a reputable news organisation. It explains EVERYTHING you think is fact. Get your head out of the sand.

Oh, the SCIENTIST !!!! HALALOO !!
But wait, wasn't it SCIENTISTS that told us seventeen years ago, that the world was getting hotter and hotter? The same SCIENTISTS that said the pause was a blip, after a couple of years, the same SCIENTISTS that said it would have no significance, unless it lasted thirteen years ..........etc etc.

Climate scientists are full of shit. Hasn't that dawned on you yet?
Unlike other scientists, they can come out with any old shit, and they don't get asked to prove it, as in other sciences. Because every sceptical climate SCIENTIST has been purged, or has taken the hint, and gone to work in another discipline.

So I'm afraid, your argument, that a SCIENTIST said this or that so it must be true, is just as much bollocks as the bollocks that you are quoting.

Ok. Good argument. I'll take the word of a set in stone conservative armchair opinion machine, and fossil fuel funded denialists, over a vast swathe of scientific evidence.

[macdoc]

mm - you been checked for dementia lately??
your "arguments" have an increasing whiff of deteriorating reasoning.....

you want alarming....here ya go

Fire in the hole: After fracking comes coal
13 February 2014 by Fred Pearce

Setting fire to coal underground could answer our energy prayers, or start an environmental disaster on a bigger scale than ever before

IF YOU thought shale gas was a nightmare, you ain't seen nothing yet. A subterranean world of previously ignored reserves is about to be opened up. These are the vast coal deposits that have proved unreachable by conventional mining, along with gas deposits around them. To the horror of anyone concerned about climate change, modern miners want to set fire to these deep coal seams and capture the gases this creates for industry and power generation. Some say this will provide energy security for generations to come. Others warn that it is a whole new way to fry the planet.

more

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... v2kz3njP3w

Long, dire.

[macdoc]

real world consequences already

Flooding and storms in UK are clear signs of climate change, says Lord Stern
Author of 2006 report says recent weather is part of international pattern and demonstrates urgent need to cut carbon emissions

The devastating floods and storms sweeping Britain are clear indications of the dangers of climate change, according to Lord Stern, the author of a 2006 report on the economics of climate change.

Writing in the Guardian, the crossbench peer said the flooding and storm damage demonstrate the need for Britain and the rest of the world to continue to implement low-carbon policies to reduce the probability of greater tragedies in the future.

He said the five wettest years and the seven warmest years in the UK have happened since 2000, which is explained by a clear body of evidence showing that a warmer atmosphere contains more water and causes more intense rainfall. When this is combined with higher sea levels in the English Channel, the risk of flooding increases.

Recent UK weather is part of an international pattern of extreme weather which proves the dangers of climate change and the need to cut carbon emissions, Stern said.

"If we do not cut emissions, we face even more devastating consequences, as unchecked they could raise global average temperature to 4C or more above pre-industrial levels by the end of the century.

"The shift to such a world could cause mass migrations of hundreds of millions of people away from the worst-affected areas. That would lead to conflict and war, not peace and prosperity."

Stern, chair of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, noted that Australia has just had its hottest year on record, Argentina one of its worst heatwaves in late December, while parts of Brazil were struck by floods and landslides following record rainfall.

He said that delay is dangerous: "Inaction could be justified only if we could have great confidence that the risks posed by climate change are small. But that is not what 200 years of climate science is telling us. The risks are huge."

Britain must continue to implement the 2008 Climate Change Act, he said. This commits the UK to cut its emissions by at least 80% by 2050.

Stern said that the risks were greater than he anticipated in his 2006 report for the government. "Since then, annual greenhouse gas emissions have increased steeply and some of the impacts, such as the decline of Arctic sea ice, have started to happen much more quickly.

"We also underestimated the potential importance of strong feedbacks, such as the thawing of the permafrost to release methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, as well as tipping points beyond which some changes in the climate may become effectively irreversible."

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... lord-stern

[mistermack]

I like the idea of controlled underground fires. After all, it takes energy to get coal up to the surface, when all you really want is the energy locked up in the coal.
If you have a really big deposit, maybe they could go all the way, and site an electricity generating plant on top, and just generate the steam underground.

It's all good news, if you can produce your power without importing fuel.

[macdoc]

So much for Arctic Sea Ice recovery....it's melting in Feb!!!!!

SUN FEB 16, 2014 AT 12:48 PM PST
Extraordinary N Atlantic Storms Driving Gulf Stream Water into Arctic, Sea Ice Melting in February

Extraordinarily warm water, as much as 10°F above normal, has entered the Barents sea on the Atlantic side of the Arctic. Sea ice is melting in February in response to the incursion of warm water that originated in the Gulf Stream.

Storm after storm has pounded England and western Europe, smashing the coastline with massive waves and flooding, making this the stormiest winter in the long English weather records which go back to 1766. But there's something happening in the ocean that's even more disturbing than the destruction to Europe. The extreme wind field across the Atlantic this winter is literally driving water that originated in the Gulf Stream into the Arctic Ocean causing sea ice extent on the Atlantic side of the Arctic ocean to decline in the middle of February. Water temperatures reported by NOAA are far above normal from the coast of north America, to the Labrador and Greenland seas, extending all the way into the Arctic ocean. The sea surface temperature anomaly maps are shocking. Water temperatures are more than 10°F above normal near Svalbard in the Arctic ocean. Likewise, Gulf Stream temperatures off of the east coast of North America are stunningly hot.

<snip lots of charts and stuff>

Last summer's sea ice recovery appears to have been short lived. Japan's accurate JAXA IJIS measurement shows the sea ice extent at an all time low for mid-February.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/1 ... n-February

[mistermack]

The daily Kos? What the fuck?
Do you never tire of reading these blogs?
Is it that you need to be told what to think, is that why you avoid actual science?

[macdoc]

a big gun ponies up to counter the denier nonsense....

TUESDAY, FEB 18, 2014 3:30 PM UTC
The Koch brother of the left?: Billionaire plans $100 million climate push for 2014 elections
Activist Tom Steyer is overseeing a major campaign of climate-related attack ads

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/18/the_koc ... elections/

[pErvinalia]

How dare you get information from news sources, Mac! You need to get it out of the inside of MM's mind. Or perhaps out of his arse would be a better analogy..

[mistermack]

How dare you get information from news sources, Mac! You need to get it out of the inside of MM's mind. Or perhaps out of his arse would be a better analogy..

No, rEv, it's you that's talking shit. As is your speciality.

Daily Kos /ˈkoʊs/ is an American political blog ....

That's the headline of their page.

Your arse must have a direct line to your brain.

[pErvinalia]

It doesn't matter where it comes from, it's whether the information it contains is factual and scientific. The inside of your head/arse ISN'T such a source.