What Nobel winner Tim Hunt's sexist outburst actually says

[Forty Two]

Those links say nothing about crying in dangerous situations,

I never said they did. To your question about whether women cry more in dangerous situations, I answered "I don't know."

other than the one if there is an advantage to be gained.

So basically, who cares if women cry more? Perhaps it's just people that are trying to prove that women shouldn't be paid as much as men..

Jobs should generally pay the same when an applicant or employee has the same education, experience, and qualifications, regardless of gender. And, in the US, that is the case.

However, women do cry more than men, according to the studies. Whether it's worth caring about is a matter of opinion. But, the reason why it's relevant to this thread is because Hunt referenced women's propensity to cry, in his experience, when confronted with harsh criticism. Based on the information we have about why women cry, it does seem that he has a fair basis in fact, and that his statement was not false. the import of that is that it's one of the things he's being lambasted for perpetuating as a "myth." it's not actually a myth.

It doesn't mean women shouldn't be in laboratories, IMO. And, generally speaking, I don't care if women I don't know cry. But, when employees cry in the workplace, it is an issue for an employer to deal with, so it does tend to be a distraction. Any non-work-related activities in the workplace can be a distraction. Interpersonal relationships in the workplace can be a distraction, which is why a lot of employers discourage love affairs in the workplace. It's a pain in the ass for management, and exposes the company to risk (because relationships can break down and result in claims of harassment and discrimination).

Anyway -- if you don't "care" about X being true, it dos not make X "not true." Similarly, being concerned about what use may be made out of something that is true is not the same thing as that thing not being true. We need not ignore unpleasant facts, and we arguably shouldn't.

[pErvinalia]

I never said it was untrue. I'm just interested in why you think it matters.

[pErvinalia]

Those links say nothing about crying in dangerous situations,

I never said they did. To your question about whether women cry more in dangerous situations, I answered "I don't know."

Yeah, but you wanted to imply it when you said:

So, who knows, but the kinds of situations mentioned in the study do suggest that when placed under heavy pressure, women may be more apt to cry

[Forty Two]

I never said it was untrue. I'm just interested in why you think it matters.

And, I explained more than once that it matters for the purpose of this discussion because Tim Hunt referenced women crying in the workplace due to harsh criticism. So, whether they are more apt to cry in the workplace or in general is certainly relevant. I.e., because it supports the truth-value of his statement, and refutes the basic knee-jerk reaction to accuse him of perpetuating myths. Do you think that matters?

[Forty Two]

Those links say nothing about crying in dangerous situations,

I never said they did. To your question about whether women cry more in dangerous situations, I answered "I don't know."

Yeah, but you wanted to imply it when you said:

So, who knows, but the kinds of situations mentioned in the study do suggest that when placed under heavy pressure, women may be more apt to cry

I speculated expressly. I didn't "imply" it.

[pErvinalia]

The real issue is - so what if women cry more in labs (or any other workplace)? As you've been at pains to assert, and Hunt implies, crying is a negative. I'm questioning that. It's a part of the female side of human nature. Men (and anyone else) need to deal with that. Most people can. Unfortunately there some men who appear to be bigots and can't accept that.

[pErvinalia]

Those links say nothing about crying in dangerous situations,

I never said they did. To your question about whether women cry more in dangerous situations, I answered "I don't know."

Yeah, but you wanted to imply it when you said:

So, who knows, but the kinds of situations mentioned in the study do suggest that when placed under heavy pressure, women may be more apt to cry

I speculated expressly. I didn't "imply" it.

Lol. What's the difference??

[Brian Peacock]

You could be right.
And Jesus might indeed love me.
It all makes sense now.

I like this haiku.

[DaveDodo007]

Shit, how did this derail happen, crying is a coping mechanism that is all. I think controlling your emotions is a 'good thing' though controlling them to such a point were you are repressing them can be harmful. I cry like a baby when I watch 'It's a Wonderful life' or a decent version of 'A Christmas Carol' so I make sure i watch them alone and fuck you. Can we get back to discussing how witch hunts are bad (who ever is the target.) Also humour is off limits to censorship and what not. Just a thought.

[pErvinalia]

Witch hunts focussed on you, however, are good.

[DaveDodo007]

Witch hunts focussed on you, however, are good.

Which would be funny if you didn't actually mean it, as with all of the left you don't really know.

[pErvinalia]

That's right, Dave. We are coming for you. Me and the feminazis!!

[DaveDodo007]

That's right, Dave. We are coming for you. Me and the feminazis!!

Challenged accepted, give it your best shot.

[Forty Two]

Those links say nothing about crying in dangerous situations,

I never said they did. To your question about whether women cry more in dangerous situations, I answered "I don't know."

Yeah, but you wanted to imply it when you said:

So, who knows, but the kinds of situations mentioned in the study do suggest that when placed under heavy pressure, women may be more apt to cry

I speculated expressly. I didn't "imply" it.

Lol. What's the difference??

Express means saying it outright, openly, explicitly.

Implied means that I suggested it indirectly.

Also, note my use of the word speculate -- which means to form a conjecture about something without firm evidence.

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[pErvinalia]

WTF are you smoking?? You said you never said women cry more in dangerous situations, and then when I point out you actually do seem to be saying that, you agree. So which is it?