What Nobel winner Tim Hunt's sexist outburst actually says

[pErvinalia]

Not cheering it. It just is. Through most of human history, you couldn't get very far as a clan or family group if you sat there blubbering when confronted with saber toothed tigers or roving bands of rapine Neanderthals. The man who was strong enough to organize a defense of the family didn't waste time blubbering, and nobody respected the guys that did and those guys got less vagina than the non-blubberers. Therefore, the non-blubberers procreated more than the blubberers.

Are you an anthropologist? If so, what cereal box did you get your degree on??

[pErvinalia]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

So you think females are more likely to break down and cry in the middle of dangerous situations than males? Where is your evidence for this arse gravy?

[Forty Two]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

So you think females are more likely to break down and cry in the middle of dangerous situations than males? Where is your evidence for this arse gravy?

I didn't make that assertion. I said that's why crying is considered weak or undesirable.

[rainbow]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

There are four approaches.
Blame someone. Crying helps.
Run away. Crying might get you a lift.
Fight. Crying might get you help.
Play dead. Crying is counter productive.

[pErvinalia]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

So you think females are more likely to break down and cry in the middle of dangerous situations than males? Where is your evidence for this arse gravy?

I didn't make that assertion. I said that's why crying is considered weak or undesirable.

In response to a point about women crying. So what exactly is your point?

[mistermack]

I was just discussing the Women's World Cup the other day -- I find the soccer entertaining and the skill level is very good. The thing I like the best is that the women don't dive and pretend to injury or fake infractions like the men do. Every men's World Cup competition is ruined by the constant falling -- the pretend injuries while holding leg, only to get up immediately and run about as if nothing had happened. Every men's world cup has examples of the male players diving in the penalty box and crying like little bitches. The women don't do that. Awesome.

Crying on an own goal? I get it.

What you don't get is that if you are the player who never goes down under a challenge, they will hack you to bits. It's a skill the professionals hone, to hack you just enough to stop your progress, but not to give away a free kick. The other thing they are after is to get a retaliatory response from you, that will get YOU booked.
The referees can't see everything, they only have one angle, and their line of sight is often blocked by players, so very often the hackers get away with it.

As a player, the only defence that you have is to go down, and make it look as bad as possible, and possibly get the hacker booked. To put some doubt in the hacker's mind, and put him off hacking at you. It's a game of wits.

So the reason that the women rarely dive isn't that they are lesser cheats, it's that they don't get hacked so much by the opponents, so they don't have to indulge in the tit-for-tat contest of hack and dive.

[laklak]

Soccer is a cry-baby sport. Everybody knows that.

[mistermack]

Soccer is a cry-baby sport. Everybody knows that.

Everybody who doesn't play it at any serious level.

[pErvinalia]

It really is a ridiculous circus. Any professional rugby or AFL player would never dive like that, particularly when it is one on one (and the goal keeper). I've seen so many people dive who could have jumped the tackle and then had a shot at goal. But they'd prefer to dive to try and win the penalty. The best thing soccer did was to start giving out cards to cheats.

[mistermack]

It really is a ridiculous circus. Any professional rugby or AFL player would never dive like that, particularly when it is one on one (and the goal keeper). I've seen so many people dive who could have jumped the tackle and then had a shot at goal. But they'd prefer to dive to try and win the penalty. The best thing soccer did was to start giving out cards to cheats.

They would have a mug like you for breakfast.

The way to stop it is for the referees to jump on the professional deliberate fouling, without waiting or requiring the player to go down.
It doesn't look like happening any day soon.
Most people argue that it's a physical contest, and you can't sanitise it too much without spoiling it.

[pErvinalia]

They'd have me for breakfast as they are professionals and I'm an old man now. But if we were of the same skill level and fitness, they'd just be putting themselves at a disadvantage, as I'd keep going while they were out of the play.

[pErvinalia]

Such an honest game.

[Forty Two]

Not cheering it. It just is. Through most of human history, you couldn't get very far as a clan or family group if you sat there blubbering when confronted with saber toothed tigers or roving bands of rapine Neanderthals. The man who was strong enough to organize a defense of the family didn't waste time blubbering, and nobody respected the guys that did and those guys got less vagina than the non-blubberers. Therefore, the non-blubberers procreated more than the blubberers.

Are you an anthropologist? If so, what cereal box did you get your degree on??

Yes. Life.

[Forty Two]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

There are four approaches.
Blame someone. Crying helps.
Run away. Crying might get you a lift.
Fight. Crying might get you help.
Play dead. Crying is counter productive.

This is exactly why crying comes across as weak. It's a puss move to "blame someone" by crying. It's a puss move to get a ride by crying for it. It's a puss move to cry your way out of a fight. Blubbering is considered weak, because it looks pretty damn weak to do it instead of handling a situation. A person who doesn't cry about it, but gets up and takes care of business comes across as strong because he's taken care of business.

[Forty Two]

Crying is for pansies!

Not necessarily, but if a disaster strikes and your family is in danger, is it better to cry about it or do something about it?

So you think females are more likely to break down and cry in the middle of dangerous situations than males? Where is your evidence for this arse gravy?

I didn't make that assertion. I said that's why crying is considered weak or undesirable.

In response to a point about women crying. So what exactly is your point?

It was in response to a post about crying as a sign of weakness. My point was that it is indicative of weakness, because in many situations it's the weak thing to do. In any situation where action is required or a problem needs to be solved, crying is unhelpful and demonstrates that rather than being capable of effectively dealing with a situation, one is instead ineffectual and in need of assistance. Stronger people need less assistance, by definition.