Evolution from monkeys

[Blind groper]

To Xamonas

For the purposes of your own inability to use the word 'monkey' in its proper meaning, let me redefine it in terms you might find meaningful.

The word 'monkey' means all the simiiformes excluding hominoidea and cercopithecoidea.

Does that make it easier?

You may note that this, more scientific definition, makes it very apparent that the Anthropology Dept. of Palomar University were correct in saying apes evolved from monkeys. Or Hominoidea and cercopithecoidea evolved from earlier simiiformes.

[Blind groper]

http://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Researche ... nd_monkeys

Just another nail in the coffin of Xamonas' silliness. The reference above is referring to a 2010 discovery of the last known common ancestor of old world monkeys and apes.

In other words, apes evolved from monkeys.

[mistermack]

As I told you before, Xamonas, the word "monkey" is not a scientific word used in taxonomy. It is a common English word. Your attempt to change its definition to one that matches a fictional scientific term is pathetic.

So basically, what you're saying is that people who know fuck-all about any evolutionary science can say that humans and apes evolved from monkeys.

I can see where you're coming from now. In fact, they can say that they evolved from elephants if they like. It doesn't make any difference.

[Blind groper]

Mistermack

So sad.
You lack the facility to think rationally. I have already shown, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the fossil evidence shows apes evolved from old world monkeys. Do you not accept good scientific data?

Let me also point out that the earlier lineage, of old simiiformes into old world and new world lineages, is monkeys evolving into apes, via other monkeys (the catarrhines).

The definition of monkey (the standard English dictionary definition) is any primate that is not lemur, tarsier, loris or ape. Well, the simiiformes existed after lemurs, lorises and tarsiers split off, and evolved into new world monkeys, old world monkeys and apes. The old simiiformes have to be called monkeys because they meet the above definition, since lemurs, lorises and tarsiers had already appeared from an earlier lineage, and apes did not then exist. So they were monkeys, by the standard English definition. Those monkeys evolved, via catarrhines, into apes.

[Blind groper]

I have done a bit more literature research, and found a very nice group of fossils have been discovered, from a genus called Eosimias.

Eosimias means dawn monkey. No, it does not mean dawn monkey or ape, because these fossils were dated at 40 to 45 million years old (middle Eocene), and the first apes did not evolve till 25 million years ago.

Eosimias was a root stock simiiforme, and was most definitely a monkey. So that shows that the simiiformes who evolved into new world monkeys and old world monkeys were also monkeys.

Thus, the predecessors of the old world monkeys and apes were also monkeys. Thus, apes evolved from monkeys.

[pErvinalia]

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[laklak]

Have we figured out what a monkey is yet? I'd post a picture but can't figure out this stupid fucking windoze 8.1R shite.

[pErvinalia]

Its wot fish evolved from.

[laklak]

God made the little fishes, you heretic demon worshipper. He made monkies too.

[Blind groper]

"any mammal of the order Primates, including the guenons, macaques, langurs,and capuchins, but excluding humans, the anthropoid apes, and, usually, thetarsier and prosimians."

For Laklak, who wanted to know what a monkey is. The above is the definition from Dictionary.com.

[pErvinalia]

There is no such thing as reptiles anymore...

[JimC]

Our reptilian Overlords may beg to differ...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

There is no such thing as reptiles anymore...

In exactly the same way that there is really no longer such things as monkeys, taxonomically speaking. You could re-label Simiiformes as "Monkey" - but why bother, seeing as the group already has an established name. There are New-world Monkeys (which is synonymous with Platyrhinni) and Old-world Monkeys (synonymous with Cercopithecoidea), but there is no clade which is synonymous with monkey. Or Fish for that matter. Or Melons.

[JimC]

Reptile is still a useful, everyday word to talk about the collective of modern day groups including snakes, lizards, turtles & crocodilians, as long as you understand they are not monophyletic...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Reptile is still a useful, everyday word to talk about the collective of modern day groups including snakes, lizards, turtles & crocodilians, as long as you understand they are not monophyletic...

Exactly. Just as monkey is a useful, everyday word to talk about the collective of modern day groups including OWMs and NWMs, as long as you understand that they are not monophyletic either.