Race Realism

[pErvinalia]

There's no such thing as Homo sapiens erectus.

[L'Emmerdeur]

So the biased 'authorities' would have you believe.

Homo erectus erectus is a recognised taxon, however.

[Svartalf]

I regularly belong to the taxon homo insanis erectus... especially in the morning or when aroused.

[Brian Peacock]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/1 ... n-d09.html

It's ironic that those who profess to be anti-racist, such as Gavin Evans the author of this abomination of a book; "Skin Deep, Journey in the Divisive Science of Race" are infact subconsciously racist.

Ha! Got that one straight in there eh? Now Anyone who says they're not racist or challenge racist views can be called out for being unknowingly racist because, I guess, being a bigot is like the default setting for everyone eh? Anyway, the mirth continues...

... That is revealed in their attitude: That race does not exist!

If race exists, as you assert, you'll be able to demonstrate the factor or factors which distinguish one so-called race from another such that every human on Earth belongs to one specific race group and is therefore excluded from every other.

... That is, they're terrified about accepting varieties of people as being unique, with their own characteristics.

Everybody is unique, with their own characteristics. The question is not whether all humans are unique (in the sense of being different to any other human) but whether races exist or not, and if so, as you assert, what might distinguish one race from another, that is; what marks each so-called race as a discrete, unique group to which its members belong to the exclusion of all other groups?

.. To Gavin Evans, ALL people MUST be identical, otherwise Mr Evans can't cope.

He might think that, he might not. Demonstrate it if you can spare the cognitive calories to stop it smelling like a strawman left out in the rain. Nonetheless, challenging the blinkered assumptions of the so-called race realist does not mean one necessarily must or does asset that "ALL people MUST be identical".

Of course, highly sentient beings, such as Galaxian gladly accept differences between the races...or sub-species... We've been down this path before, but the penny simply doesn't drop. On RDS, RatSkep, Rational Forums. Plenty of evidence, as well as logic & comparisons with other species in nature.

Good for you - you accept the differences between the race groups you say exist, so it shouldn't be beyond your mighty wit to describe those factors which delineate the strict boundaries between races, the boundaries which, if races exist, must be discrete, exclusionary, and non-pourous.

So, I'm not going to repeat all the facts again.

Ha! So your just asserting stuff for shits and giggles then? Much lolz.

... I don't have the appetite to argue against a juvenile minded ignoramus who writes a garbage book that even uses a dumb-fuck diagram, as above...

Pissing in the well is all you really have isn't it?

... to erroneously illustrate the spread of humans across the planet, as a single outpouring from Africa, instead of the multi exit over a couple of million years.

Sorry, you have strawmens as well. My apologies.

... Exiting as subspecies and continuing to diverge even further.

And that stupid diagram mislabeling 3 subspecies as 3 species! How dumb can they get? To confuse subspecies with species!

OK, so we get the point, but having an opinion isn't an argument, as well you know. You've asserted that races exist, so, again, it's down to you to demonstrate those factors which distinguish one race from another.

... But keep getting drunk with feel-good lies & make-believe BS.

Assumptions about the character or alcohol level of your interlocutors is a fallacious, irrelevant supposition. Do you know the name of this particular fallacy Mr G?

... Nature doesn't give a damn...It weeds out such useless creatures.

How's that going then? Haven't you noticed how Nature keeps weeding out the bigots and all the others who think that reality should bend to their opinions?

[Galaxian]

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/1 ... n-d09.html

It's ironic that those who profess to be anti-racist, such as Gavin Evans the author of this abomination of a book; "Skin Deep, Journey in the Divisive Science of Race" are infact subconsciously racist.

Ha! Got that one straight in there eh? Now Anyone who says they're not racist or challenge racist views can be called out for being unknowingly racist because, I guess, being a bigot is like the default setting for everyone eh? Anyway, the mirth continues...

Of course, highly sentient beings, such as Galaxian gladly accept differences between the races...or sub-species... We've been down this path before, but the penny simply doesn't drop. On RDS, RatSkep, Rational Forums. Plenty of evidence, as well as logic & comparisons with other species in nature.

Good for you - you accept the differences between the race groups you say exist, so it shouldn't be beyond your mighty wit to describe those factors which delineate the strict boundaries between races, the boundaries which, if races exist, must be discrete, exclusionary, and non-pourous.

Look up 'ring species'. I won't be so long winded, since as the saying goes: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". Unlike some, I don't live on this forum. I've got a job & a life to get on with.

So, I'm not going to repeat all the facts again.

Ha! So your just asserting stuff for shits and giggles then? Much lolz.

Do your own research, being alert not to fall for every cockamamie crap that grant hungry university departments come up with: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9036&p=1848043#p1848043

... I don't have the appetite to argue against a juvenile minded ignoramus who writes a garbage book that even uses a dumb-fuck diagram, as above...

Pissing in the well is all you really have isn't it?

OK, so we get the point, but having an opinion isn't an argument, as well you know. You've asserted that races exist, so, again, it's down to you to demonstrate those factors which distinguish one race from another.

And that stupid diagram mislabeling 3 subspecies as 3 species! How dumb can they get? To confuse subspecies with species!
... But keep getting drunk with feel-good lies & make-believe BS.

... Nature doesn't give a damn...It weeds out such useless creatures.

How's that going then? Haven't you noticed how Nature keeps weeding out the bigots and all the others who think that reality should bend to their opinions?

Finally, in your last sentence you spoke truth! Nature DOES indeed weed out the bigots (look up the definition!)

[Brian Peacock]

So, as I expected, nothing to support the contention upon which all your waffle now rests. What distinguishes one race from another such that every human on the planet falls into one specific race group and is necessarily excluded from all others? In other words, if races exist, as you assert, then define them.

[Galaxian]

So, as I expected, nothing to support the contention upon which all your waffle now rests. What distinguishes one race from another such that every human on the planet falls into one specific race group and is necessarily excluded from all others? In other words, if races exist, as you assert, then define them.

On the contrary, you're welcome to keep all the waffle to yourself. Note that you refused to research 'ring species'.

Different species are organisms that are not cross fertile in a natural setting, such as dogs, cats, humans, salmon, etc.

Different sub-species are organisms that are cross fertile, but are reluctant to interbreed, such as Scandinavians & Pygmies. Or if they interbreed their fertility is reduced, such as Rh+ & Rh- humans.

It is that simple. ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE! One can hold a PC 'opinion' about it, but it is not fact; it is gibberish wooo...

[Brian Peacock]

That in no way supports your blind assertion. If ring species are relevant then simply show that relevance within the context of race. Then you can get to demonstrating your assertion that races exist, such that one race and its membership can be distinguished from all other asserted race groups. At the moment you are saying that races exist so it's up to you to support your assertion - it's not up to me or anyone else to disprove your assertion to your satisfaction. Placing that obligation on others is fallacious, not to mention discursively dishonest.

[Galaxian]

That in no way supports your blind assertion. If ring species are relevant then simply show that relevance within the context of race. ....

Blah, blah, blah. None so blind as those who REFUSE to see. Don't have the time or energy to flog a dead horse.

[JimC]

That in no way supports your blind assertion. If ring species are relevant then simply show that relevance within the context of race. ....

Blah, blah, blah. None so blind as those who REFUSE to see. Don't have the time or energy to flog a dead horse.

As usual, not responding to rational arguments.

Different sub-species are organisms that are cross fertile, but are reluctant to interbreed, such as Scandinavians & Pygmies.

Utter bullshit. Examples of sub-species in organisms almost always involve geographic separation for a period of time, which has allowed some minor differences to evolve. For a biologist (i.e. someone who knows the science, clearly not including you), the test of whether such disjunct populations belong to the same species is whether they can successfully interbreed. If this is the case, then future changes allowing the 2 populations to meet would involve widespread introgression, and a unified population again. And there are no groups of humans that are reluctant to mate with any other group of humans, if circumstances permit...
In any case, the naming of sub-species is now regarded as fairly arbitrary, and of minor importance compared to wrestling with the complications of applying the species concept correctly in a variety of different contexts.

[laklak]

They didn't call him erectus for nothing, he'd have fucked a snake.

[pErvinalia]

Unlike some, I don't live on this forum. I've got a job & a life to get on with.

There's no way you are stable enough to have a job.

[Hermit]

Unlike some, I don't live on this forum. I've got a job & a life to get on with.

There's no way you are stable enough to have a job.

Depends. Glaxative might keep his batshit crazy views under his hat whenever he is communing with people in the non-digital sphere the same way homosexuals had to hide their proclivities for decades when exposing them to the public could result in severe opprobrium, jail or worse.

Alternatively, Glaxative might be holding down a "job" in a protected work environment, such as provided by the Bedford Group in South Australia and similar organisations elsewhere in the country.

[Galaxian]

That in no way supports your blind assertion. If ring species are relevant then simply show that relevance within the context of race. ....

Blah, blah, blah. None so blind as those who REFUSE to see. Don't have the time or energy to flog a dead horse.

As usual, not responding to rational arguments.

Different sub-species are organisms that are cross fertile, but are reluctant to interbreed, such as Scandinavians & Pygmies.

Utter bullshit. Examples of sub-species in organisms almost always involve geographic separation for a period of time,....... And there are no groups of humans that are reluctant to mate with any other group of humans, if circumstances permit...
In any case, the naming of sub-species is now regarded as fairly arbitrary, and of minor importance compared to wrestling with the complications of applying the species concept correctly in a variety of different contexts.

You should try stand-up-comedy. They don't have a clue either, and the crap ones are weeded out, 'cause they can't make a living. But SJW audiences don't seem to mind... perhaps they're too stoned to care?
Are you an aficionado of the SJW crackpot Lewontin, by any chance? Even Dawkins regards him as a nutter.
https://biology.stackexchange.com/quest ... 4465#14465
"According to Woodley (2010), it is plausible that H. sapiens does not belong to one species and subspecies (i.e. is polytypic). Some of the data he uses to support this hypothesis could be useful for answering our question. He claims that H. sapiens, which is often considered monotypic, posses higher levels of morphological diversity, genetic heterozygosity and differentiation than many animal species which are considered polytypic.
.....
Chimpanzees exhibited H of 0.63-0.73, which is very similar to H found in humans (0.588 - 0.807), however, chimpanzees are divided into four subspecies.
Some species like the grey wolf even exhibited a lower H (corresponding to lower genetic diversity) than humans (0.528 vs 0.588 - 0.807), while the grey wolf has been divided into as many as 37 subspecies.
This data suggests that humans are more diverse both morphologically and genetically than some of the other mammalian species that have been divided into subspecies."
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[Svartalf]

So, as I expected, nothing to support the contention upon which all your waffle now rests. What distinguishes one race from another such that every human on the planet falls into one specific race group and is necessarily excluded from all others? In other words, if races exist, as you assert, then define them.

look, I'm white... if I bed a black lass and beget oiffspring, odds are it will be coffee and milk... we'll have done an Abomination before the Lord and indulged in creating a third race from our two.