Evolution from monkeys

[pErvinalia]

                      

!!1!	NOTMOD I'd like remind all participants of our "Play Nice" rule and to ask that people stop monkeying around!

[Animavore]

The video I posted, which no one seems to have bothered watching, shows that not only are we descended from monkeys, we still are monkeys.

[JimC]

The video I posted, which no one seems to have bothered watching, shows that not only are we descended from monkeys, we still are monkeys.

How do you deal with your tail, Ani?

Personally, I'm a tailless ape...

[Animavore]

The video I posted, which no one seems to have bothered watching, shows that not only are we descended from monkeys, we still are monkeys.

How do you deal with your tail, Ani?

Personally, I'm a tailless ape...

I have a tail. It's just really, really, really small.

The video explains how XC, for instance, is a bit behind the times. In modern phylogenetics humans are classed as monkeys. Some school texts books already teach this standard.

[Clinton Huxley]

I've just had to go through three ill-tempered pages to satisfy myself that someone had referenced The Monkees. At least Jim knows what he's doing.

[Svartalf]

XC, do I get properly that your thesis is that we are descended from a prosimian ancestor rather than a proper monkey?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

XC, do I get properly that your thesis is that we are descended from a prosimian ancestor rather than a proper monkey?

All simians are descended from prosimians! But I wasn't looking that far back in time. I was referring to far more recent evolution - that in the Catarrhini clade. A clade containing two, mutually exclusive, monophyletic groups: Old-World Monkeys and Apes (along with others). Thus precluding the evolution of one from the other.

I would be interested in reading any texts you have on the subject, Ani. I suspect that they are similar to the link that Blind Groper posted which used "monkey" in a non-rigorous manner but I am open to persuasion.

[Animavore]

XC, do I get properly that your thesis is that we are descended from a prosimian ancestor rather than a proper monkey?

All simians are descended from prosimians! But I wasn't looking that far back in time. I was referring to far more recent evolution - that in the Catarrhini clade. A clade containing two, mutually exclusive, monophyletic groups: Old-World Monkeys and Apes (along with others). Thus precluding the evolution of one from the other.

I would be interested in reading any texts you have on the subject, Ani. I suspect that they are similar to the link that Blind Groper posted which used "monkey" in a non-rigorous manner but I am open to persuasion.

Or you could just watch the video I posted on the previous page.

[mistermack]

Naming is all over the place, it needs sorting out.

When the public read that humans evolved from apes, which evolved from monkeys, they don't think '' ancestral apes '' or ancestral monkey-like animals ''.
They think of current apes and current monkeys. So if you say that humans evolved from apes, which evolved from monkeys, you are misleading people. How hard can it be to make it clear, by saying monkey-like animal, instead of monkeys etc?

After all, modern monkeys are no closer to the ''monkeys'' that apes evolved from, than we humans are.

[Animavore]

Apes evolved from monkeys, not 'monkey-like' animals. Not only that, they never stopped being monkeys, just like they never stopped being mammals. Apes are monkeys and so are humans.
We're also still fish in a way, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Animavore]

Another article on the topic.
http://evolvingthoughts.net/2012/03/are ... -hominims/

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Another article on the topic.
http://evolvingthoughts.net/2012/03/are ... -hominims/

This bloke reckons we are fish as well as monkeys. That is what happens when you mix semantics with taxonomy, children.

[Animavore]

Another article on the topic.
http://evolvingthoughts.net/2012/03/are ... -hominims/

This bloke reckons we are fish as well as monkeys. That is what happens when you mix semantics with taxonomy, children.

Yes. Problem?

[Svartalf]

Another article on the topic.
http://evolvingthoughts.net/2012/03/are ... -hominims/

This bloke reckons we are fish as well as monkeys. That is what happens when you mix semantics with taxonomy, children.

Yes. Problem?

Problem is I can't swim too well and am unable to breathe water, so much for being a fish, even though we're both vertebrates.

[Animavore]

Another article on the topic.
http://evolvingthoughts.net/2012/03/are ... -hominims/

This bloke reckons we are fish as well as monkeys. That is what happens when you mix semantics with taxonomy, children.

Yes. Problem?

Problem is I can't swim too well and am unable to breathe water, so much for being a fish, even though we're both vertebrates.

And when was the exact moment in our evolutionary history we stopped being fish?