Har Har Har Global warming crap

[Tero]

You could just copy and paste. We knew granny was coming before you posted it.

The things I waste dataplan on!

[mistermack]

I've compared the science of earthquakes to climate science before, and it's really interesting how differently they are treated.
The earthquake scientists don't pretend that they know more than what they do. That's because there is a history of people being made to look stupid, when nothing happens. So they don't overclaim, and just try to give an estimate of the CHANCES of an earthquake. And they always are very clear about what they DON'T know.
So different to climate science.

But actually, the reaction of the public, and governments is also very different. Take the example of the San Andreas fault. When earthquake scientists say that there WILL be a major earthquake, I have to agree. Because the evidence says so.
And you can go and look where it's happened before. And yet, local people are living in the assumption that it will never happen.
They aren't throwing huge sums of money at it, like we are at AGW. People are just being sensible.

Other places, there are threats MUCH bigger than southern california. Like the fault off Oregon, Washington, and Western Canada. There is a major upthrust due there, any day now. And it could make all recent earthquakes look like small fry.
But people are ignoring it. It's ironic that many people in the area will fret about climate change, which will almost certainly have no effect on their lives at all, and yet they ignore something which might kill them, and their families, and all of their neighbours.

[piscator]

At least 3 dead in Colorado flooding; Boulder 'overwhelmed with water'

Heavy rains have produced massive flash flooding along Colorado's Front Range. As of Thursday morning, at least three people are dead, multiple roads are closed or washed out and several homes have been damaged or destroyed.

Boulder County, where two confirmed deaths occurred, has been deeply affected by the flooding, with stranded drivers, mandatory evacuations and several structure collapses across the entire county.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/1 ... 14363.html

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow ... 2521.story

[Seth]

At least 3 dead in Colorado flooding; Boulder 'overwhelmed with water'

Heavy rains have produced massive flash flooding along Colorado's Front Range. As of Thursday morning, at least three people are dead, multiple roads are closed or washed out and several homes have been damaged or destroyed.

Boulder County, where two confirmed deaths occurred, has been deeply affected by the flooding, with stranded drivers, mandatory evacuations and several structure collapses across the entire county.

My old house on the ranch is almost certainly flooded. The one on the cliff won't be. I'm glad I don't live there anymore, I've been through TWO similar floods.

[piscator]

At least 3 dead in Colorado flooding; Boulder 'overwhelmed with water'

Heavy rains have produced massive flash flooding along Colorado's Front Range. As of Thursday morning, at least three people are dead, multiple roads are closed or washed out and several homes have been damaged or destroyed.

Boulder County, where two confirmed deaths occurred, has been deeply affected by the flooding, with stranded drivers, mandatory evacuations and several structure collapses across the entire county.

My old house on the ranch is almost certainly flooded. The one on the cliff won't be. I'm glad I don't live there anymore, I've been through TWO similar floods.

Well at least now we all know why local lenders are so adamant about flood insurance - they have to protect their $$.
Business as we know it could not go on without flood insurance from a large enough pool to make rates affordable.

There are relatively few populated places that don't have some danger of flooding in an intense storm system. The scale of the problem combined with the rising climatic probability of big storms has kept private insurers out of the business. If they could insure the first $500k of a homeowner risk for anything close to the rate NFIP charges, they'd be competing already. The private sector can't insure homes against flood nearly as efficiently as NFIP, or they would.

FEMA and NFIP fall squarely under the mandate for a government chartered to promote the General Welfare. It's in no one's interests to have increasing numbers of the population made destitute every so often.
Seth may think it's a good idea to shut down New York and Portland and Washington DC and Savannah and move those folks to the high desert of Wyoming rather than see his tax $$ go to NFIP, but so what?
Seth may think it's better to pay the private sector 5-8x for the same insurance taxpayers can do for 1x, but that's just the box his aesthetics and ideology paints him into. And instead of looking at the value received for dollar spent, he kneejerks ideologically and bemoans an impure system.

Meanwhile, storms are increasing over time. You can tell by how much the insurance industry pays in claims for storm damage.
Whenever I buy a product or service, I'm paying for the other guy's insurance. There's no economic escape from Climate Change. It's a big shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

[macdoc]

rising climatic probability of big storms

Not big but intensity is going up and not more but more intense ones.

Trend is very clear that more water is being dumped - sometimes to the point of unreal.

a meter in Bombay in 2005 in 24 hours

1.3 x the yearly average in Taiwan in a single mild Cat 2 cyclone but water laden and hung up on the mountains.
That's 30% more water from a single storm than the island gets in an entire year.

More warmth, more water in the atmosphere and when it falls out.....more intense rain and snow storms.

But so far the frequency has not upped, just the frequency of the intense ones.
That's what has the insurance companies gibbering....all bets are off as to how often major flooding will occur....the 100 year event is not the decade or less event.
Midwest US in particular.
And the weather patterns are more extreme.
The front sweeping the US just now will see temperature drops as high as 60 degrees F.....that is surefire recipe for strong storms. We lost three trees on our little street as that small but high intensity cell blasted through.

This was a double whammy of two intense cells that collided over Toronto in August - no warning..



$$$ in damage.

This is an 8 lane central highway



and the commuter trains flooded as well




Clients lost machines to the flooding and the power surges....and these end of the bell curve events will be more and more prevalent.

[mistermack]

Quite obviously, it's never rained before 1950, so this rain is clear proof that half of a degree warmer signals the end of the world.
So things must have been great in the little ice-age, right?
But actually, it's not so. I don't give a toss about Colorado, the winters in Britain have been slightly milder of late. That's excellent news. They've also started a tiny bit later, and ended a tiny bit sooner. Also great.
I don't WANT to return to the days when the Thames froze over, and they held ice-fairs on the frozen river.
This tiny bit of global warming is nice. I want it to continue.
I'm releasing methane as I type. Doing my bit.

[Tero]

[macdoc]

Tero - hehe good one.
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MM is frothing at this point. You releasing methane only means you stink.....akin to your understanding of earth processes...rude and uncouth.
Your GHG is part of the carbon cycle tho in your case if it matches the fossil attitude it might indeed be antediluvial.

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Fuck the transients in the atmosphere....this is insidious and unstoppable....
Must read...nightmare material.

Ocean acidification, the lesser-known twin of climate change, threatens to scramble marine life on a scale almost too big to fathom.

Story by
CRAIG WELCH

Photographs by
STEVE RINGMAN

NORMANBY ISLAND, Papua New Guinea — Katharina Fabricius plunged from a dive boat into the Pacific Ocean of tomorrow.

She kicked through blue water until she spotted a ceramic tile attached to the bottom of a reef.

A year earlier, the ecologist from the Australian Institute of Marine Science had placed this small square near a fissure in the sea floor where gas bubbles up from the earth. She hoped the next generation of baby corals would settle on it and take root.

Fabricius yanked a knife from her ankle holster, unscrewed the plate and pulled it close. Even underwater the problem was clear. Tiles from healthy reefs nearby were covered with budding coral colonies in starbursts of red, yellow, pink and blue. This plate was coated with a filthy film of algae and fringed with hairy sprigs of seaweed.

Instead of a brilliant new coral reef, what sprouted here resembled a slimy lake bottom.
Isolating the cause was easy. Only one thing separated this spot from the lush tropical reefs a few hundred yards away.

Carbon dioxide.[/quote]

HEALTHY REEF: The colorful beginnings of a new reef sprout on a ceramic tile that was placed near healthy coral in Papua New Guinea. The baby corals and coralline algae on the tile provide a glimpse of the next-generation reef.

UNHEALTHY REEF: Algae and seaweed crowd out reef growth on a tile placed near Papua New Guinea’s CO2 vents. The more corrosive water mirrors what’s expected throughout the world’s oceans near the end of this century.

more
http://apps.seattletimes.com/reports/se ... -overview/

[Seth]

UNHEALTHY REEF: Algae and seaweed crowd out reef growth on a tile placed near Papua New Guinea’s CO2 vents. The more corrosive water mirrors what’s expected throughout the world’s oceans near the end of this century.

Fallacious appeal to the consequences of a belief.

You see an "unhealthy reef." I see life adapting to climate change, much like life adapted to the climate change that produced a highly toxic poison gas that killed off 99.999 percent of life on earth way back when called "oxygen." The scientist sees a "slimy lake bottom" rather than a "colorful reef" and allows her confirmation bias to label one as negative and the other as positive merely because she prefers colorfulness.

Adapt or die.

[Seth]

Most experts believe that warming of less than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial levels will result in no net economic and ecological damage. Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC's emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083, the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm.
Warming of up to 1.2 degrees Celsius over the next 70 years (0.8 degrees have already occurred), most of which is predicted to happen in cold areas in winter and at night, would extend the range of farming further north, improve crop yields, slightly increase rainfall (especially in arid areas), enhance forest growth and cut winter deaths (which far exceed summer deaths in most places). Increased carbon dioxide levels also have caused and will continue to cause an increase in the growth rates of crops and the greening of the Earth—because plants grow faster and need less water when carbon dioxide concentrations are higher.

Up to two degrees of warming, these benefits will generally outweigh the harmful effects, such as more extreme weather or rising sea levels, which even the IPCC concedes will be only about 1 to 3 feet during this period.

Full article here.

[Tero]

Wall Street Kournal, sure.

Warming will not yield more crops if there is drought. Corn is expected to do poorly.

Soybean hamburgers for Seth in 2050 if he is still alive.

[Tero]

Great Plains corn slightly better than last summer's ruined crop, bus still too yellow. I took this yesterday in Eastern Nebraska

[macdoc]

of course humanity had nothing to do with it....

Fucking denier wankers...stuff this in your....

Temperature chart for the last 11,000 years  SEP 16 2013
For the first time, researchers have put together all the climate data they have (from ice cores, coral, sediment drilling) into one chart that shows the "global temperature reconstruction for the last 11,000 years":



The climate curve looks like a "hump". At the beginning of the Holocene - after the end of the last Ice Age - global temperature increased, and subsequently it decreased again by 0.7 ° C over the past 5000 years. The well-known transition from the relatively warm Medieval into the "little ice age" turns out to be part of a much longer-term cooling, which ended abruptly with the rapid warming of the 20th Century. Within a hundred years, the cooling of the previous 5000 years was undone. (One result of this is, for example, that the famous iceman 'Ötzi', who disappeared under ice 5000 years ago, reappeared in 1991.)

What on Earth could have caused that spike over the past 250 years? A real head-scratcher, that. But also, what would have happened had the Industrial Revolution and the corresponding anthropogenic climate change been delayed a couple hundred years? The Earth might have been in the midst of a new ice age, Europe might have been too cold to support industry, and things may not have gotten going at all. Who's gonna write the screenplay for this movie? (via @

http://kottke.org/13/09/temperature-cha ... 1000-years

[Tyrannical]

Wall Street Kournal, sure.

Warming will not yield more crops if there is drought. Corn is expected to do poorly.

Ah, but increased CO2 makes crops more drought resistant
They are able to retain water better because while the plant intakes CO2 through it's pores, it is also how a plant losses moisture. More CO2 means the plant can close it's pores more to limit water loss.