Evolution from monkeys

[Hermit]

My initial point was the silliness of atheists arguing against creationists when they claim we did not evolve from monkeys.

And you backed it up by saying "There is no scientific context for the word 'monkey'." Several times. So, if there is no scientific context for the word 'monkey', how can you maintain that we evolved from monkeys, other than that is just colloquial silliness?

[JimC]

My initial point was the silliness of atheists arguing against creationists when they claim we did not evolve from monkeys.

But it's not much of a point. Evolution is a scientifically described process. Mixing in vaguely defined general terms isn't really a very illuminating act. I really think your "point" is basically pointless. How one defines the term "monkey" has no bearing on what we actually evolved from. We evolved from the simiiformes, regardless of how you or anyone defines "monkeys".

[Blind groper]

I notice that no one now is denying that apes and humans evolved from monkeys. I will accept that as confirmation that my point is made.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I notice that no one now is denying that apes and humans evolved from monkeys. I will accept that as confirmation that my point is made.

Funny how different people can look at a painting and see different things in it.

I will take this post to mean that you agree with me... about everything, past, present and future. Furthermore, that you agree to be my bitch and wash my feet should they become sullied. Aren't words wonderful when they can mean whateverthefuck you want them to mean?

[pErvinalia]

I notice that no one now is denying that apes and humans evolved from monkeys. I will accept that as confirmation that my point is made.

Stop avoiding the issue. Apes and humans evolved from simiiformes.

[Blind groper]

The word 'simiiforme' means, "having the form orf a monkey."

[pErvinalia]

No it doesn't. That's what it means in Latin. In evolutionary science it has a defined scientific meaning.

[Hermit]

The word 'simiiforme' means, "having the form orf [sic] a monkey."

Whose arse did you pull that one out of? I looked for a source you might have used for it and found none. So, link, please.

[Svartalf]

I notice that no one now is denying that apes and humans evolved from monkeys. I will accept that as confirmation that my point is made.

I said from simians, not from actual monkeys, did you even read my posts?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I notice that no one now is denying that apes and humans evolved from monkeys. I will accept that as confirmation that my point is made.

I said from simians, not from actual monkeys, did you even read my posts?

I doubt he'll fall for that trap!

[Blind groper]

Xamonas

Let me repeat.

The word "monkey" is not a scientific term and is not definable in any exact scientific sense. It is not a synonym for any taxonomic group in primatology.

The word "monkey" is a common English word and has assorted definitions in assorted dictionaries. I have checked half a dozen such definitions, and find they are quite variable, unlike scientific definitions. They are also somewhat vague, and those definitions include anything that looks like a monkey, as long as it is not clearly a lemur, tarsier, loris or ape.

So, in other words, the common ancestors of old world and new world monkeys were monkeys.

If you cannot see that I have proved my point that apes and humans evolved from monkeys, there is something wrong with your comprehension.

[Blind groper]

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Simiiformes

To Hermit

I do not "pull claims out of my ass". The reference above tells you what the origin of the word simiiforme is.

You owe me an apology.

[Hermit]

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Simiiformes

I do not "pull claims out of my ass". The reference above tells you what the origin of the word simiiforme is.

You owe me an apology.

Who accused you of pulling anything out of your arse? I asked you which arse you pulled that one out of. Turns out to be the Wiktionary, which, in this instance at least, is so inaccurate as to be false. So, no apology needed or forthcoming.

Now, XC has explained this to you several times already. I guess that means another lap on the issue will do no good. Still, I'm the eternal optimist, so here we go again. Simiiformes include monkeys. Also apes. Apes in turn are split into the lesser apes and great apes. Humans are one of the final twigs among the great apes. We have not evolved from apes or monkeys. We have evolved from Simians. And it's no good using the common, colloquial meaning of the word "monkey" in evolutionary theory. It simply does not translate to the stricter, more limited definition of "monkey" in the evolutionary tree. Apes are not monkeys just like homo sapiens is not a chimp.

[pErvinalia]

Xamonas

Let me repeat.

The word "monkey" is not a scientific term and is not definable in any exact scientific sense. It is not a synonym for any taxonomic group in primatology.

The word "monkey" is a common English word and has assorted definitions in assorted dictionaries. I have checked half a dozen such definitions, and find they are quite variable, unlike scientific definitions. They are also somewhat vague, and those definitions include anything that looks like a monkey, as long as it is not clearly a lemur, tarsier, loris or ape.

So, in other words, the common ancestors of old world and new world monkeys were monkeys.

If you cannot see that I have proved my point that apes and humans evolved from monkeys, there is something wrong with your comprehension.

No, they evolved from simiiformes

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Xamonas

Let me repeat.

The word "monkey" is not a scientific term and is not definable in any exact scientific sense. It is not a synonym for any taxonomic group in primatology.

The word "monkey" is a common English word and has assorted definitions in assorted dictionaries. I have checked half a dozen such definitions, and find they are quite variable, unlike scientific definitions. They are also somewhat vague, and those definitions include anything that looks like a monkey, as long as it is not clearly a lemur, tarsier, loris or ape.

So, in other words, the common ancestors of old world and new world monkeys were monkeys.

If you cannot see that I have proved my point that apes and humans evolved from monkeys, there is something wrong with your comprehension.

And let me repeat. Simply because there are multiple definitions of a word, does not mean that you can choose the one you like and claim that you are right and I am wrong.

Even if we accept your premise that there is no scientific definition of a monkey (which I dispute), there are still non-scientific definitions that specifically exclude apes and their ancestors from the term!

So your bullshit argument, even if we concede your first, erroneous point, PROVES MY CASE JUST AS MUCH AS IT DOES YOURS AND JUST AS MUCH AS IT PROVES NEITHER!

In other words, as I said before,